Maybe interesting river decision, 10-25 NL HU, 400 bb deep

[evanski]

Im not sure if you guys will be able to give me very good comments about this hand because its so opponent dependant. I really had not idea what to do on the river though.

Im losing, badly. I have 10k and my opponent has 11. He sat down with 2500 and has built up from there, at one point being up ~16k.

My opponent is bad. I feel bad putting people SNs in posts so I wont include it but if anyone wants to know they can PM me. He doesnt fold preflop, ever, regardless of the amount. I figured this out halfway through the match. One earlier hand of interest:

I open to 75 with kk, he bet-pots it to 225, I reraise to 2250. He calls. J87 flop he pushes, I call (roughly a 2k bet). He had 87s.

Hes extremely aggro. Hell click the bet pot button anytime you check a street. On to the hand.

I open to 75 with 43s, he calls.

Flop 3c3d5c

Check, pot, call


Turn Ts (pot = 450)

Check, pot, call


River Td (pot=1350)

Check, pot, repot.



I really wasnt sure what to put him on here. One thing I was fairly sure of was that he didnt flop a huge hand. He almost asssuredly would have c/r the flop or at least the turn.

Also, while he may be a lagtard he isnt stupid, and I think he has to put me on a fairly big hand here, or maybe a busted draw. Also, he just doubled up the hand before on a 3 outer all in on the turn. Im not sure if that will affect his bluffing frequency or not.

Call or fold? How often do you expect to win? What does he have?

-Evan

[Staycool]

sick spot. my 1st instinct was call, but i really think a fold is correct against most. Tx clubs is a likely hand. Too sophisticated a bluff for most to make, as you can easily have a ten or another big hand.

[TheWorstPlayer]

How can you possibly fold this? This isn't a sophisticated bluff, this is an easy easy spot to bluff. You will have a T or a 3 here very rarely and it will be very hard for you to call with less. And fairly often it seems to me like you'll have ace high or worse so his bluff here is very profitable...

[ahnuld]

yeah I agree with WTP. Also, fold preflop if hes calling every time and very hard to bluff.

[KRANTZ]

sick, i would never fold here. i would think he would c/r the flop with a flush draw but he could definitely have something like AT. even so, a guy like this will make seemingly random, inexplicable bluffs for no reason.

[ilikeaces86_]

I check behind on river this deep.

[evanski]

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Also, fold preflop if hes calling every time and very hard to bluff.

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I actually disagree with this rather strongly. I think Ill show a fairly substantial profit with 43s against this guy when were 400 BB deep. If we were only 1 stack deep than I would be more inclined to agree with you.

[TheWorstPlayer]

if you're going to show a profit with 43s (which I agree that you will) won't it be in hands exactly like this one? I honestly don't see how you're possibly afraid of running tens when this is a good bluff spot and he can have sooo many hands you beat.

[Staycool]

TWP,

It's a sophisticated bluff because the river T is NOT a good bluff card for either player. villain should not expect to get credit for a backdoor boat, which is the ONLY hand he's representing. since a 3 is equivalent to JJ-AA here, i'm expecting all those who say call to call with overpairs as well...

bluffing when you should get called = tricky.

[TheWorstPlayer]

I dont know, man. Seems to me like a spot where people are likely to bet/fold overpairs or to bluff with no showdown value a lot more often than they are going to bet/call. I mean, what can they bet/call with if not even a 3?