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12-06-2006, 03:28 PM
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$2/$4 PLO: Big draw hits non-nuts on river.
At the beginning of hand, I have $775, BB has $625. Everyone else in hand has in $200 to $400 range. Not much read on the BB, he had won a few decent sized pots uncalled, seemed aggressive but no way to know what he had in those hands. Not super loose. Rest of table is playing pretty loose-aggressive this day.
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game Blinds: $2/$4 8 players Converter Pre-flop: (8 players) Bartholow is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2, folds, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, Bartholow calls, BB (poster) checks. Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($20, 5 players) <font color="#cc0000">Bartholow bets $19</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $76</font>, 3 folds, Bartholow calls. Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($172, 2 players) Bartholow checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $169</font>, Bartholow calls. River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($510, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Bartholow bets enough to put him all in</font>... I think all streets have choices, main questions would be flop and river I guess. On the flop I like to bet out with a variety of good hands to cover the times I'm betting with a weak hand or semi-bluff, but with a pretty big draw maybe I should be looking to check and see if a big pot can be built on the flop? I figured stacks were too big relative to pot to try this, but... On river I just thought I was ahead and that I might sometimes get called by a worse hand, whereas if I check and he bets I'm suddenly much less likely to be winning but not sure I can fold. Is this idea of betting on river when you're ahead of his range if you bet but not ahead of his range if you call too much of a limit poker concept??? 
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#2
12-06-2006, 05:19 PM
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Re: $2/$4 PLO: Big draw hits non-nuts on river.
The way he's played it, that river shouldn't have helped him, and he shouldn't necessarily expect it to have helped you, so I think if you check he's going to check behind. If he does bet, that's an interesting spot and I'm confused... only really 3556 makes sense for his range. Inflating this pot with a weak draw when you have position just isn't that likely.
So I think you're ahead on the river the vast majority of the time, and should act as such. The question for me here is whether or not value betting would be better EV then a push... is he likely to put you on a busted draw? Your calling the flop raise suggests more then a naked flush draw, and the only other draw on the flop got there. If he's got $300 left there might be merit in leading for just under half his stack?
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#4
12-06-2006, 08:22 PM
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Re: $2/$4 PLO: Big draw hits non-nuts on river.
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If he does bet, that's an interesting spot and I'm confused... only really 3556 makes sense for his range. Inflating this pot with a weak draw when you have position just isn't that likely. [/ QUOTE ] which to paraphrase means I don't think there are tons and tons of hands that villian will raise big with deep stacked in position against a good opponent that include 36. This may be a false assumption.
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#6
12-06-2006, 08:35 PM
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Re: $2/$4 PLO: Big draw hits non-nuts on river.
Against an aggressive opponent a good way to build a pot is to do what you did and bet out on the flop. In this case though, I'd 3-bet and get ready to go to the felt with the hand on the flop.
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#10
12-07-2006, 04:44 AM
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Re: $2/$4 PLO: Big draw hits non-nuts on river.
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Sorry I'm a noob but why can't he have a set? [/ QUOTE ] Basically that is what you hope for... When I read the post I first did not like your line, but it makes sense. He probably has trips or some kind of hand your have beaten, but that he would check behind if you check. So betting is good, but I do not know if an all in bet is the most profitable. You are probably called or raised by any hand that beats yours (and if you bet small and get raised, I think you cannot fold) whatever your bet is. Since villain must have some kind of hand, I guess he calls you sometimes, and I do not think that he would call twice as often a 150 bet than a 300 bet. So your line seems right to me. What happened, finally ?
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