Interesting but Common River Decision

[Roland32]

First Hand and I am on my laptop so I have no reads.
PokerStars Game #7315717588: Hold'em Limit ($5/$10) - 2006/12/05 - 19:19:48 (ET)
Table 'Galene IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: entegrater ($243 in chips)
Seat 2: Roland ($200 in chips)
Seat 4: dimsum5 ($372 in chips)
Seat 5: BigLimpin ($52 in chips)
Seat 6: tonytwotoes ($119.50 in chips)
entegrater: posts small blind $2
Roland: posts big blind $5
steelboy2327: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Roland [8h 5s]
dimsum5: calls $5
BigLimpin: calls $5
tonytwotoes: folds
entegrater: calls $3
Roland: checks
*** FLOP *** [5h 3d 4s]
entegrater: checks
Roland: bets $5
dimsum5: folds
BigLimpin: calls $5
entegrater: calls $5
*** TURN *** [5h 3d 4s] [9c]
entegrater: checks
Roland: bets $10
BigLimpin: calls $10
entegrater: folds
*** RIVER *** [5h 3d 4s 9c] [8s]
entegrater is sitting out
Roland: ?????

I think I am going to change my standard line here so I was curious as to consensus.

[Carmine]

I usually try to induce a bet here when readless.

[milesdyson]

converters are sick and easy to use

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, MP calls, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, SB folds.

River: (5.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

bet.

[gehrig]

c/r is ok. bet is ok

[poisonxfree]

I usually bet here.

[Jiggymike]

I think I would bet. He might have been drawing at a gut shot with an A but he still might call the river bet with A high figuring that you were just stealing on this ugly board. He'll also call a lot of 1 pair/pp hands.

[Roland32]

My default line is to bet but I was thinking of check call as possibly a better line.

The two flat calls and the texture of the flop seems that I shouldnt be getting to many calls on the river. But I might induce a bet from a missed draw.

Also what I failed to consider at the time is what happened, he raised me and i called and he had flopped the str8. he didnt raise the tuen because of the sb was still in the pot. So I feel like a check call might be the highest ev play. Thoughts?

[MacGuyV]

Hey Rol -
I think you're pretty good based on previous encounters:
WTF? If I be checkin i def. be raisin. Him not raising the turn is just bad poker.

[milesdyson]

the fact remains that he has you beat like 0% of the time even if you're inducing a bluff a large percentage of the time. so obviously he cant call the raise when you induced a bluff, but what if he has a pair? the point of checking is that you can get 2 bets from made hands and 1 bet from hands that wouldn't call a bet (sometimes). the point of betting is that you can get a guaranteed 1 bet from made hands, and that is what i care about most in unraised pots when i have a monster on the river.

[counterspell]

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the fact remains that he has you beat like 0% of the time even if you're inducing a bluff a large percentage of the time. so obviously he cant call the raise when you induced a bluff, but what if he has a pair? the point of checking is that you can get 2 bets from made hands and 1 bet from hands that wouldn't call a bet (sometimes). the point of betting is that you can get a guaranteed 1 bet from made hands, and that is what i care about most in unraised pots when i have a monster on the river.

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i totally agree with miles and would like to add that the straightforward play is even more called for because villain is unknown.