6/12, KJs on button

[earlytimes1]

live 6/12, standard-passive table; thoughts on all streets appreciated but esp. river.

hero is button with KhJh. SB is solid, on the aggro side. CO is tight-solid.

three limpers, HERO RAISES, both blinds and all limpers call.

flop (12 sb, 6 players)

3s4d6h

checks to hero, HERO BETS, three callers.

turn (8 bb, 4 players) Qh

checks around (figuring a bet here isn't doing much for me, and I don't want to risk the C/R.)

river (8 bb, 4 players) 5h

check, check, CO bets, HERO raises, sb 3-bets, fold, fold, HERO calls.

two questions on the river: 1) is it better to go for the overcall with two active players behind? 2) 4-bet it or just call?

[pauliewalnuts]

I dont much care for the flop bet.

Screw overcalls on this river. Most live players arent going to fold any straight here or even a queen for any number of bets. Raise it up.

[Sly_Fox]

I agree with Paul, pop this up on the river.

[crablegs33]

no... raise and cap... four big bets instead of 3 in capping it... and that's just if noone else is willing to call...

[DemonDeac]

preflop: standard
flop: debatable bet...i like it though
check: obvi free card situation

river: a solid player just c/3bet the river and u dont have the nuts. i personally just call like you did here, but that may be cuz i suck at poker and dont like money.

[silkyslim]

ya people will cold call with the easy straight on board, dont go for overcalls. id cap here. flop bet is ok. he has two overs and a backdoor flush. people cant fold if you dont bet.

[Wada]

If you hand is worth a call then bet it. You have overcards plus a backdoor flush. Good flop bet and good way to go for a free card on the turn which worked out.

You said table is standard and passive so I doubt it that anyone behind you will raise so that you can limp/reraise on that board. Just raise for value and hope someone behind you reraises so you can cap it.

[bobman0330]

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If you hand is worth a call then bet it.

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He's on the button, this maxim does not apply. I think a flop check is really necessary. You're more likely than usual to get check-raised on this low, connected board, which would suck. Setting up a free card on the turn isn't as good here as it would usually be because you aren't drawing to anything yet. Just check and see what develops.

Just calling the river 3-bet is good against almost all 6/12 villains.

[_TKO_]

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you aren't drawing to anything yet.

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You have some JKs that you would love to hit.

[Wada]

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If you hand is worth a call then bet it.

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He's on the button, this maxim does not apply. I think a flop check is really necessary. You're more likely than usual to get check-raised on this low, connected board, which would suck. Setting up a free card on the turn isn't as good here as it would usually be because you aren't drawing to anything yet. Just check and see what develops.

Just calling the river 3-bet is good against almost all 6/12 villains.

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Disagree. He indicated it is a standard passive table. Which leads me to believe your chances of getting check raised are lower and even if you are not the button your chances of getting raised behind after your bet are lower. The table is passive and by betting the flop while having the button gives you a much better chance of having it check through on the turn.

If you dont bet this flop, your passive player will be more inclined to bet into you on the turn ruining your chances of getting a free card on the turn.

Also if someone bets the flop and there are no raises are you telling me you wont call and that you will just fold? Doing so you are giving up way too much and playing weak tight. Heck, if its even bet on the flop, raising would be better than calling to go for a free card on the turn at this "standard passive" table.