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12-01-2006, 09:40 AM
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Some tricky spots on all streets (stars 25/50)
Villian is a regular but I rarely play on stars so I don't know anything about them really, they have been playing aggresivly in position 4 handed on another table but I haven't seen anything too too crazy.
Thoughts on the whole hand? PokerStars Game #7251141015: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2006/12/01 - 08:11:31 (ET) Table 'Danae' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 2: joiso ($6271 in chips) Seat 5: sparx1 ($13782 in chips) Seat 6: Apathy123 ($7711 in chips) Seat 7: ilvdnfl ($5523 in chips) Seat 9: twin-caracas ($4925 in chips) joiso: posts small blind $25 sparx1: posts big blind $50 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Apathy123 [8s 8c] Apathy123: raises $125 to $175 ilvdnfl: folds twin-caracas: calls $175 joiso: calls $150 sparx1: calls $125 *** FLOP *** [8d Jc 3h] joiso: checks sparx1: checks Apathy123: bets $500 twin-caracas: folds joiso: raises $750 to $1250 sparx1: folds Apathy123: calls $750 *** TURN *** [8d Jc 3h] [Qc] joiso: checks Apathy123: checks *** RIVER *** [8d Jc 3h Qc] [Kh] joiso: bets $2750 Apathy123 ?????? 
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#2
12-01-2006, 09:46 AM
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Re: Some tricky spots on all streets (stars 25/50)
i 3 bet the flop 100% of the time, because I'm weak and people pay me off.
i bet the turn if i failed to 3 bet the flop. river ?????????????? puke and call. (your prolly going to see 9 10 or QQ if your beat) J Q, J K if your good.
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#3
12-01-2006, 02:03 PM
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Re: Some tricky spots on all streets (stars 25/50)
i dont mind your play, would u like to explain why you dont bet the turn here? as playd, i think the river is a call, raising is definitely out of the questions are there are a decent amount of hands he could be value betting here
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#4
12-01-2006, 02:36 PM
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Re: Some tricky spots on all streets (stars 25/50)
his overcall preflop makes me think this is 333 more than JJJ, QQQ, or KKK. so call. but he's got one of those most of the time fer sure.
also, i don't mind the turn check but i also don't mind a bet, it can go either way depending on how aggro you've been. if you've been active, then just try to get it in. i think his overcall preflop is the crucial point of the hand.
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#5
12-01-2006, 02:40 PM
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Re: Some tricky spots on all streets (stars 25/50)
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his overcall preflop makes me think this is 333 more than JJJ, QQQ, or KKK. so call. but he's got one of those most of the time fer sure. also, i don't mind the turn check but i also don't mind a bet, it can go either way depending on how aggro you've been. if you've been active, then just try to get it in. i think his overcall preflop is the crucial point of the hand. [/ QUOTE ] Why would villain check the turn?
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#6
12-01-2006, 02:59 PM
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Re: Some tricky spots on all streets (stars 25/50)
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[ QUOTE ] his overcall preflop makes me think this is 333 more than JJJ, QQQ, or KKK. so call. but he's got one of those most of the time fer sure. also, i don't mind the turn check but i also don't mind a bet, it can go either way depending on how aggro you've been. if you've been active, then just try to get it in. i think his overcall preflop is the crucial point of the hand. [/ QUOTE ] Why would villain check the turn? [/ QUOTE ] no reason except the only draw getting there and an overcard making it less likely for a naked J to call again
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#7
12-01-2006, 03:20 PM
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Re: Some tricky spots on all streets (stars 25/50)
i dont think there is alot of value in pushing now, so i woudl just call
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#8
12-01-2006, 05:20 PM
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Re: Some tricky spots on all streets (stars 25/50)
given the action, i think his range is made up of a ton of medium strength 2 pair hands and a straight of course. i think only the straight and an oddly played KK call a river raise, even 33 could find the fold button.
i prob jsut call the river. i hate checking the turn against an aggro player though.
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#9
12-03-2006, 02:04 AM
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Re: Some tricky spots on all streets (stars 25/50)
[ QUOTE ]
his overcall preflop makes me think this is 333 more than JJJ, QQQ, or KKK. so call. but he's got one of those most of the time fer sure. also, i don't mind the turn check but i also don't mind a bet, it can go either way depending on how aggro you've been. if you've been active, then just try to get it in. i think his overcall preflop is the crucial point of the hand. [/ QUOTE ] I agree...this looks very much like 33. No way he has T9 here. Maybe he has JJ but it's more probable that he has either KJ or 33. I thought this was a pretty easy river call...maybe even a raise. We can rule out T9, KK, and QQ.
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#10
12-03-2006, 05:04 PM
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Re: Some tricky spots on all streets (stars 25/50)
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] his overcall preflop makes me think this is 333 more than JJJ, QQQ, or KKK. so call. but he's got one of those most of the time fer sure. also, i don't mind the turn check but i also don't mind a bet, it can go either way depending on how aggro you've been. if you've been active, then just try to get it in. i think his overcall preflop is the crucial point of the hand. [/ QUOTE ] I agree...this looks very much like 33. No way he has T9 here. Maybe he has JJ but it's more probable that he has either KJ or 33. I thought this was a pretty easy river call...maybe even a raise. We can rule out T9, KK, and QQ. [/ QUOTE ] Im not sure why you are able to rule out the turned nuts, I see this small flop checkraise from draws all the time, usually they would bet the turn bet lots of people love to slowplay.
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