Does anyone lay this down?

odomination · #1 11-14-2006, 01:39 AM

After a long time of playing Omaha 8 limit ive started to play and learn PLO8. Ive been playing mostly .25-.50 and over my first 4600 hands I am 14bb/100.

One of my first hands at a new table.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.75, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($7.5, 4 players)
SB checks, MP1 bets $2.5, MP2 calls, Hero raises to $10, SB folds, MP1 raises to $33.5, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $62, MP1 calls all-in $11.65.
Uncalled bets: $16.85 returned to Hero.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($100.3, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $100.3)

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($100.3, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $100.3)

Results:
Final pot: $100.3

I wanted to lay it down deep down but I thought that that was too big of a laydown for this level. Against an unknown is this a push or a fold?

Assani Fisher · #2 11-14-2006, 01:53 AM

I probably fold preflop. No reason to play that out of position.

I probably flat call the flop. I see people betting draws like this often and I think its better to just call because you have a good shot of quartering someone if you hit and you'll lose a lot less when you don't hit.

With that said, once you've already raised it and he re-raises a call or re raise is reasonable.

StrikeR300 · #3 11-14-2006, 02:18 AM

You were never afraid of aces pf? Many unknowns at this level only raise these, and that's what makes this scenario a clear fold IMHO. With an idea about the pfr'er play & suitedness it could be an easy call however, especially on the button with a caller.

Habib Marwan · #4 11-14-2006, 03:26 AM

no one lays this down at any level

odomination · #5 11-14-2006, 03:51 AM

ok sweet. I feel better now.

bbartlog · #6 11-14-2006, 10:44 AM

I like playing hands like this and wouldn't lay this down either. However, I really don't see why I need to play this hand so fast. I wouldn't have put in the final reraise to $62 on the flop.

The other point is that some players will *only* pot preflop if they have AAxx, preferring smaller raises for A23x and the like. (I used to play this way until I realized I was leaking too much information). If there's a decent chance of that then I don't even put in the $10 raise on the flop, though I'd still call this down in case A23x is trying to steal...

Kuso · #7 11-15-2006, 09:43 AM

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no one lays this down at any level

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BS

there are some players for whom pfr = AAxx 90% of the time or more. if this is one of those players, i think this is a not a difficult lay down.

that being said, there are definitely reasons that you can peel one off if you think you can outplay villain on later streets. from my experience, though, you're rarely going to get someone to laydown a set of aces regardless of what the board looks like.

rando · #8 11-15-2006, 10:47 AM

Maybe villain had something along the lines of AAQT and was trying to push hero out preflop, then just got lucky flopping a higher set AND avoiding a low on 4th and 5th st.?

wiseheart · #9 11-15-2006, 04:52 AM

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I probably fold preflop. No reason to play that out of position.

I probably flat call the flop. I see people betting draws like this often and I think its better to just call because you have a good shot of quartering someone if you hit and you'll lose a lot less when you don't hit.

With that said, once you've already raised it and he re-raises a call or re raise is reasonable.

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Since when is the button OOP?

Assani Fisher · #10 11-15-2006, 09:32 AM

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I probably fold preflop. No reason to play that out of position.

I probably flat call the flop. I see people betting draws like this often and I think its better to just call because you have a good shot of quartering someone if you hit and you'll lose a lot less when you don't hit.

With that said, once you've already raised it and he re-raises a call or re raise is reasonable.

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Since when is the button OOP?

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My mistake...bad reading comprehension. I still lay this down preflop at least 90% of the time.