AA on same-suit board

giant sand · #1 11-09-2006, 06:45 PM

The guy is 47/23/2.25 after 80 hands.

I thought about raising the flop, but he has me covered and I don't want to play for stacks here (or should I?). Anyone call this River?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($200)
UTG ($240.65)
Hero ($193.55)
SB ($408.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, SB calls $5, 1 fold.

Flop: ($14) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero calls $8.

Turn: ($30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $18, Hero calls $18.

River: ($66) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $30, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $96

recallme · #2 11-09-2006, 06:48 PM

Reraise flop to 22% if you get called or raised you fold or go c/f unless you get the odds.

ValarMorghulis · #3 11-09-2006, 08:22 PM

I think I raise and play for stacks on the flop. Maybe that's bad. Do you think he always has a flush here?

dd323 · #4 11-09-2006, 08:25 PM

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Reraise flop to 22% if you get called or raised you fold or go c/f unless you get the odds.

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So you want to turn AA into a total bluff?

ViciousPuma · #5 11-09-2006, 08:33 PM

As played, i lean towards a valuecall on the river, but thats because i pay everyone off nowadays. that jack is gross. i like a PSR on flop. and then the hand plays itself much easier, youre not playing a guessing game as the caller.

dd323 · #6 11-09-2006, 08:25 PM

I think you played this fine if you had called the river. As it were you played this silly weak. It would have been better to get all in on the flop than to play it this weak (actually it would not have been that bad to play for stacks on the flop anyhow, but i think most worse hands/draws would fold anyhow).

dd323 · #7 11-09-2006, 08:27 PM

I missed your read. How in the world do you fold to a 43/30 ever in with AA? The only reason I think raising the flop might be bad is you blow him off his Q7 or whatever he has..

bilbo-san · #8 11-09-2006, 08:36 PM

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I missed your read. How in the world do you fold to a 43/30 ever in with AA? The only reason I think raising the flop might be bad is you blow him off his Q7 or whatever he has..

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Getting Villain to fold two pair is hardly a bad result.

Maybe you misread the board?

Dan Bitel · #9 11-09-2006, 08:48 PM

I normally make it 7 or 8 preflop OTB no limpers

raise flop

raise turn

call river

Yahivin · #10 11-10-2006, 10:19 AM

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Getting Villain to fold two pair is hardly a bad result.

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You're a 51% favorite against two pair, so yes, it is a bad result. You want to be all-in against two pair here.

I'd PSR the flop with the intention of pushing to a 3bet (really depends on your read and what you know about hands he'll do this with). Worst case he has a flush or a set, were're about 33% to win against a flush or a set so it would be a small mistake. More likely though, he could have KdQ, and be betting his dominated draw + dominated top pair. If this guy is very aggressive and plays his draws hard, or if he plays hard with mediocre hands on scary boards then you need to give him the tough decisions. If he's a smart lag (or weak when people play back strong enough) and capable of making laydowns then he *might* drop a baby flush or low set if your image is tight enough. He doesn't need to call with 2-pair or less, fold a baby flush, or be on a dominated semi-bluff very often to make pushing +EV, or at least > calling station. Look at KdQ (or hands like it) through a lags eyes: it's the NUTS, TPGK + 2nd nut flush draw!

Think about it the other way, if we don't get it all in on this flop what options are better? We can call and wait for a diamond, but if a diamond hits on the river we've broadcasted our hand and opp has an easy c/f. If no diamond comes, or even if we improve to a set, then we have a very tough calling decision on the river, potentially a much bigger mistake than getting it in on the flop, we can call and be wrong for a $30 mistake, or fold and be wrong for a $96 mistake, and we have no way of knowing anything about which we should do because we have gained no information about his hand by calling on every street.

NH Villian.