Advanced counter strategies

[DeNutza]

Ok, I am an accomplished player at limit: holdem, omaha,
and stud hl.

My specialty would have to be counter-strategies...
Finding ways to exploit opponent tendencies in short
and/or full games.

Now Ive been inconsistently trying to take up No-Limit
holdem...It usually takes me about a year or so
to learn a new game very well. No limit is much
more difficult for me to grasp the whole counter
strategy approach i am used to solving.

Ive read a few no-limit books (new 2+2 one & Bob Ciaffones)
but they dont seem to delve into the issue as much
as im used to processing.

Anyone have any good books, articles, threads, or
posters that I can search for that specialize
in this topic of counter-strategies at a more
advanced level.

Thank you.

[shawny boy]

sun tzu, the art of war

17. According as circumstances are favorable, one should modify one's plans.

18. All warfare is based on deception.

19. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.

20. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.

21. If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him.

22. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.

26. Now the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought. The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat: how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose.

3. Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the State will not be equal to the strain.

4. Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor damped, your strength exhausted and your treasure spent, other chieftains will spring up to take advantage of your extremity. Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue.

5. Thus, though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays.

1. Sun Tzu said: The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy.

2. To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

3. Thus the good fighter is able to secure himself against defeat, but cannot make certain of defeating the enemy.

4. Hence the saying: One may know how to conquer without being able to do it.

8. To see victory only when it is within the ken of the common herd is not the acme of excellence.

13. He wins his battles by making no mistakes. Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.

14. Hence the skillful fighter puts himself into a position which makes defeat impossible, and does not miss the moment for defeating the enemy.

[CASINOCASINO]

nice post shawny

[cero_z]

Hi DeNutza,

This is really the meat of what makes a good NL player good. As such, many don't understand it, hence no good books that deal specifically with this. Those who do, often don't want to share this very valuable and hard-earned info, hence few posts on the subject. You can get a lot of this information, though, from reading great threads on 2p2. I'm not good at digging up threads, so I'll suggest some posters.

theBruiser500 is pretty much all about counter-strategies, though it will take some close reading of his hand posts to glean this. He doesn't make theory posts, and his articulation can be a little opaque, but the knowledge is there for sure. Look for threads he started that involve SH 25-50NL hands; those are his best contributions to 2p2, IMO. Similarly valuable but even tougher to dig up are El Diablo's comments on hands in those games, because his advice almost always comes in replies to a thread, rather than in his own. Plus, he's got a bajillion posts. Good luck.

ML4L has made tons of good posts on deeper NL thinking. Strassa2 (Jason Strasser) has, as well, and he's made several good ones in the last few months, so look for those.
The recent thread FSU started ("Something I'd like to see discussed" or something) is pretty good, if I do say so myself [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

If you really want to get to the heart of this stuff, though, you can post some specific questions on here; that kind of thing from an experienced player like you could really spark some good discussion. Otherwise, you'll have to get a coach or expert NL friend to bounce ideas off of, because as I said, this info is closely guarded, even on a forum like this.

[Kirkrrr]

Aside from everything cero mentioned, I'd also suggest digging up every thread started by Gigabet. Not exactly about counter-strategies, but all I can is it worked for me. Two examples to get you started:

Step 5 Highers with Gig's Hand

Almost There With Success and Failure

Kirk

[Requin]

This is a collection of some posts that might interest you. Also in midstakes awhile back there was a long post where one guy would post a quirk of a villain, and the next poster would have to write up a counter to that and then post a quirk of his own, pretty much exactly what you're looking for. Problem is I can't find it, all I remember is that it was awhile ago (over 4 months for sure, probably more than 6). Maybe someone has it saved and will come post it for you.

[ahnuld]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post6960773

best of thread, needs some work though. Maybe ill try to find some good oldies when school lightens up next week.

[bigt439]

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best of thread, needs some work though. Maybe ill try to find some good oldies when school lightens up next week.

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i was kinda hoping no one ever found this thread again.

[aflaba]

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in midstakes awhile back there was a long post where one guy would post a quirk of a villain, and the next poster would have to write up a counter to that and then post a quirk of his own, pretty much exactly what you're looking for. Problem is I can't find it, all I remember is that it was awhile ago (over 4 months for sure, probably more than 6). Maybe someone has it saved and will come post it for you.

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This sounds pretty cool. Anyone has a link to it or knows which keywords to search for?

[testaaja]

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in midstakes awhile back there was a long post where one guy would post a quirk of a villain, and the next poster would have to write up a counter to that and then post a quirk of his own, pretty much exactly what you're looking for. Problem is I can't find it, all I remember is that it was awhile ago (over 4 months for sure, probably more than 6). Maybe someone has it saved and will come post it for you.

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This sounds pretty cool. Anyone has a link to it or knows which keywords to search for?

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I think you are refering to this:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...age=0&vc=1
Very nice thread [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]