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hey people,
I do not play this high (in fact i play 5/10) but this a hand of a friend of mine that has been discussed on another notice board... sorry about the conversion - none of the hand converters worked so i had to do it myself Seat 2: HERO($5217.50 in chips) Seat 3: Player 1 ($2029 in chips) Seat 4: villain 1 ($2490.50 in chips) Seat 6: villain 2 ($8189 in chips) Player 1: posts small blind $25 villain 1: posts big blind $50 benping16: sits out *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to HERO [5h Ad] villain 2 raises $50 to $100, HERO raises $50 to $150, Player 1 folds, villain 1 calls $100, villain 2: calls $50 *** FLOP *** [4c 3s Qh] villain 1 checks, villain 2 checks, HERO checks *** TURN *** [4c 3s Qh] [2h] villain 1 checks, villain 2 checks, HERO bets $100, villain 1 raises $100 to $200, villain 2 raises $100 to $300, HERO raises $100 to $400, villain 1 calls $200, villain 2 calls $100 *** RIVER *** [4c 3s Qh 2h] [Jh] villain 1: checks, villain 2 bets $100, HERO ? My analysis of the hand initially is below.. how far off am i ? particularly interested in turn and river play as i realise preflop is a fold (at least i was sure it was) fold preflop. unless bidhead is passive and u can win w/o showdown. (in that case i guess it doesn't matter what cards u have) flop - after your aggression, i dont see how ur winning this pot without a c-bet (i do realise i free card is nice here but it shouts u have air so you are limiting urself to winning the pot on 4-7 outer. Very few people would check a monster here 3 handed. Turn- u have near the nuts but due to two hearts u prob have to call villain 2's very scary check/3 bet as 56 is an unlikely holding and set/ flush draw combos are most likely...on the other hand ur hand isnt getting any stronger and u may be already behind ? is it a fold against sohero opponents? is capping correct here against two unknowns ? River- against two opponents and considering the turn action this could be a fold in my opinion against non-maniac opponents (now the flush got there as well as the possibility either of them already had a better straight than u ?- especially seeing as u are not closing the action - a raise here would be absolute spewing of chips IMO (this was the original question)- ..or is the pot to big to fold ? |
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This would be an absolutely terrible river fold.
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Way closer to a raise than a fold on the river. Flop check is terrible after preflop play which is bad too unless the initial raiser is a complete maniac.
-DeathDonkey |
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DD, i totally agree with u on preflop and flop, but can u explain why it is closer to a river raise ... maybe it is because i am not used to the aggression of 50/100 but i just cant imagine (baring reads that they are maniacs) on this board how a riase is profitable vs two opponents ? if it is a raise, is it a raise/fold ?
thanks in advance [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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villain 2 check/3-bet the turn. putting him on a flush draw here makes no sense. a set is most likely. a straight is less likely, but not impossible.
it's close between raising and calling. heads up i would raise for value, but there's another player who might overcall or might even have a better hand. on the other hand, he might call 2 with a worse hand. for a 5/10 player, i'd recommend working your way up step by step and not worrying about 50/100 hands yet. you'll just confuse yourself with the aggression. |
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Folding this would be near criminal - I would raise this almost always unless I had a really, really good read. (and even with a really, really, really good read I would not fold)
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Folding this would be near criminal - I would raise this almost always unless I had a really, really good read. (and even with a really, really, really good read I would not fold) [/ QUOTE ] |
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My thought was pretty easy river rasie.
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Folding is not an option.
An argument can be made for calling and trying to get an overcall. This allows you to win the same amount as a raise and avoid losing the max if you are behind and get 3 bet and can't find the muck because the pot is too big and the villian is unknown. |
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Folding is not an option. An argument can be made for calling and trying to get an overcall. This allows you to win the same amount as a raise and avoid losing the max if you are behind and get 3 bet and can't find the muck because the pot is too big and the villian is unknown. [/ QUOTE ] |
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