200-400 PLO 255k pot

[all_in_lam]

lfisgd (brad booth) has 3478 double suited.

how (un)standard is this?

http://www.pokerhand.org/?573412

[Ansky]

aren't there like 6 forums this should be in before this one

[multious]

yes and the way the hand played out, he had odds the whole way.

[KingDan]

Best hand won pf.

Results:
Omaha Hi: 376992 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Ah Th 7h 34003 9.02 299651 79.48 43338 11.50 0.148
As Ts Ad 9d 77171 20.47 256483 68.03 43338 11.50 0.262
7s 3s 8c 4c 125901 33.40 251091 66.60 0 0.00 0.334
Ks Qs Qh Jh 96579 25.62 280413 74.38 0 0.00 0.256

[BluffTHIS!]

The KQQJ guy was the dumass, and the one who provided a lot of equity to the 8743ds hand. Without that guy, one of the AA hands has the better equity allin preflop, though barely and because he was double suited:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2145478
pokenum -mc 500000 -o ac ah th 7h - as ts ad 9d - 7s 3s 8c 4c
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Ah Th 7h 59234 11.85 290585 58.12 150181 30.04 0.269
As Ts Ad 9d 117017 23.40 234540 46.91 148443 29.69 0.382
7s 3s 8c 4c 173568 34.71 324573 64.91 1859 0.37 0.349

[durrrr]

he isnt a dumb as s....

[donkey]

bluffthis you must be really bad at omaha. KKQJ played the hand fine. folding at any point is 100% mathematically incorrect.

[BluffTHIS!]

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folding at any point is 100% mathematically incorrect.

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Then by all means enlighten me with a proof of that assertion. Indeed you will be the first since all others who hold your position have yet to offer any. Note that the decision point in question is the call of the 3rd raise to 13K after previously calling two much smaller raises. Presumably you won't be so dim as to maintain that calling to 13K is correct because he would then be pot odds stuck where he would be correct in calling for the rest of his stack (which I said was true as to calling the last raise given that he had wrongly called the 3rd raise).

[durrrr]

im done replying to anymore of your stupid threads... but heres yer explanation. Antonius' hand plays really well w/ ~20% of his stack in pf, hence the 13k call is 100% fine. Also his hand is huge which you seem to not realize. I dont know if you actually play poker or just look up old ZJ threads all day... but you should probably be happy that people are responding to your threads instead of berating them and making yourself look like an idiot.

edit: tht means he has a postflop edge. There is no way to 'prove' that but just assume that im right ok?

[BluffTHIS!]

durrr,

You haven't actually been responding to my threads in a substantive way, i.e. by giving sound theoretical reasons for a recommended play, until your post above, which is flawed.

Getting 20% of his stack in is OK with a good enough hand or enough odds on your money by virtue of the number of players in, though I personally consider 20% to be the bubble and 25% to be the max.

But his stack isn't the primary one in question as he covered the other relevant players. Stack size considerations and their implications for implied odds apply to PLO as they do to NL. And the same goes for be willing to fold likely dominated hands. So without adequate implied odds from the other players' stacks necessitating having to hit a set or draw to win because there will be no post-flop play other than a push from the opponent(s), it is simply correct to fold not only KQQJ there, but also KKQJ regardless of suits. And besides being up against AA with inadequate implied odds and no possibility of betting an opponent off a better hand postflop, those hands' equity are severely curtailed by lessened straight possibilities with even one AA out, and by likely being dominated in at least one suit even if double-suited.

So regarding PLO strategy, there is no reason at all for myself or anyone else to assume you are right given your wrong advice and lack of the knowledge of PLO that even regular winning PLO players playing .50/$1 games have.