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(LC) How to...big pairs on 3rd at low limits
1/2 Stud, 25c ante, 50c bring-in (Crypto)
4th to act with (AK)A. There's the bring in and a caller before me. Based on how things are going, if I raise I expect two more callers and then the bring-in and limper to call. I'd like to knock a few players out, but just like low-limit holdem, they probably aren't going. In low-limit holdem I'll raise anyway. Should I be doing the same in stud? Would anything change with Stars' 10c ante? |
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Re: (LC) How to...big pairs on 3rd at low limits
The big ante ($.25) may create pot odds on 3rd where calling hands that typically shouldn't be called in a tighter structured game (i.e. Stars $1/$2 having a $.10 ante) become decent calls for you opponents, even with you representing A's.
Pairs nearly always require small numbers of opponents--you will have to do whatever it takes to eliminate players early in the hand. This is where paying attention to the play of your opponents is key (as I write this while in a hand [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). If you can't lose 'em, often it's best to fold even with the best hand. A's would be tough to fold, but against 4 or 5 players you know that are going to the later streets regardless of what they have, it's often the best play. From K. Othmer's 7CSP book (we've got to get a book reading going in this forum related to stud) 40% of the time (39.9% actually) your 3rd street pairs will go unimproved. 42.1% of the time you'll hit your 2nd pair and 18% of the time will you do better than 2 pair when beginning with a pair on 3rd. There is also a section in 7CSFAP on this subject--something like "folding with the best hand". dandy |
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Re: (LC) How to...big pairs on 3rd at low limits
Open folding AKA on third is an interesting strategy that I strongly suggest everyone do.
Oh, do it in hold'em, too. |
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Re: (LC) How to...big pairs on 3rd at low limits
Agreed.
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Re: (LC) How to...big pairs on 3rd at low limits
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Open folding AKA on third is an interesting strategy that I strongly suggest everyone do. Oh, do it in hold'em, too. [/ QUOTE ] Open folding was not my point--the point I was attempting to make was after you have attempted to eliminte players with a pair by raising and/or re-raising and 4 or 5 still go along for the ride (on later streets), then ... |
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Re: (LC) How to...big pairs on 3rd at low limits
I didn't illustrate it properly, but playing around with twodimes, this is kind of what I had in mind when thinking through the original response...
On 4th, even with the AKA discussed above, a gut shot has similar chance of winning as the A's have in a 5 handed pot. Of course, the typical low limit hand is not going to have all 4 opponents with this many draws. http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2125512 pokenum -mc 500000 -7s ac ks ah 5h - 5c 6h 7s 9s - jd th 9c qs - 4d 4h qc kh - qh 2h 3h 7h 7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Ks Ac Ah 5h 87413 17.48 412565 82.51 22 0.00 0.175 9s 7s 5c 6h 79627 15.93 420366 84.07 7 0.00 0.159 Qs 9c Jd Th 161110 32.22 338657 67.73 233 0.05 0.322 Qc 4d Kh 4h 50881 10.18 448895 89.78 224 0.04 0.102 Qh 7h 3h 2h 120722 24.14 379270 75.85 8 0.00 0.241 |
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Re: (LC) How to...big pairs on 3rd at low limits
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I didn't illustrate it properly, but playing around with twodimes, this is kind of what I had in mind when thinking through the original response... On 4th, even with the AKA discussed above, a gut shot has similar chance of winning as the A's have in a 5 handed pot. Of course, the typical low limit hand is not going to have all 4 opponents with this many draws. http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2125512 pokenum -mc 500000 -7s ac ks ah 5h - 5c 6h 7s 9s - jd th 9c qs - 4d 4h qc kh - qh 2h 3h 7h 7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Ks Ac Ah 5h 87413 17.48 412565 82.51 22 0.00 0.175 9s 7s 5c 6h 79627 15.93 420366 84.07 7 0.00 0.159 Qs 9c Jd Th 161110 32.22 338657 67.73 233 0.05 0.322 Qc 4d Kh 4h 50881 10.18 448895 89.78 224 0.04 0.102 Qh 7h 3h 2h 120722 24.14 379270 75.85 8 0.00 0.241 [/ QUOTE ] Well as you say, you arent often against this many people with that good of a draw each. That being said, you will typically have enough equity here to continue on as you will win roughly 20% of the time and are putting in 20% of the money. |
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