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How do you badasses play these badass pp\'s? (AA, QQ)
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Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $2/$4 8 players Converter Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO caps</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls. Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (17SB, 4 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls. Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12.5BB, 4 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 bets</font>, CO folds, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls, Button folds. River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (17.5BB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises</font>, Hero calls. Results: Final pot: 21.5BB Full Tilt Poker Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $2/$4 8 players Converter Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises</font>, Hero calls, 3 folds, UTG calls. Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7.5SB, 3 players) UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.75BB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls. River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.75BB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls. Results: Final pot: 10.75BB |
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Re: How do you badasses play these badass pp\'s? (AA, QQ)
hint, one was a winner, one a loser
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Re: How do you badasses play these badass pp\'s? (AA, QQ)
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hint, one was a winner, one a loser [/ QUOTE ] I think they were both loosers...as in the way you played them. Don't slow play the flop on the first hand and raise PF on the second. |
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Re: How do you badasses play these badass pp\'s? (AA, QQ)
Hand 1 I would just 3bet the flop but I don't think the way you played it is a significant mistake if you think the turn will usually be bet. The pot is big enough that it's worth it to protect on a safe turn. River I'm guessing you ran into KJ but it's an easy crying call.
Hand 2 3bet preflop, postflop good. |
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Re: How do you badasses play these badass pp\'s? (AA, QQ)
You guys really think the second hand was good postflop?
Why wouldn't you throw at least another raise in somewhere? I would definately raise the turn. Particularly as played preflop. The villain has no idea of the legitimate strength of the hand. QQ seems too strong to go into WA/WB mode for the whole hand. I think he would call our raise with less. |
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Re: How do you badasses play these badass pp\'s? (AA, QQ)
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You guys really think the second hand was good postflop? Why wouldn't you throw at least another raise in somewhere? I would definately raise the turn. Particularly as played preflop. The villain has no idea of the legitimate strength of the hand. QQ seems too strong to go into WA/WB mode for the whole hand. I think he would call our raise with less. [/ QUOTE ] I think you are right. Refer to my original post. I just didn't feel like commenting because I am slam hammered and can't type. |
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Re: How do you badasses play these badass pp\'s? (AA, QQ)
Do you have any reads on any of the players? Anyway, this is how this badass plays against unknowns:
First hand: I think preflop is good. Given that C/O capped preflop, I would have probably gone for a check-raise at the flop. Well, assuming of course I thought someone would bet the flop...I wouldn't have called the raise, I would have reraised. I don't think there is a reason to slowplay here. Given that you didn't raise at the flop, I think I like the turn check-raise when the blank card falls. I think betting and calling the river is standard. Second hand: I think you made an error preflop. I think you have to reraise here. I would try to get it heads up with the MP and to KO any overcards from the button, the blinds, and UTG. Cold-calling is a big mistake IMO. At the flop, I think the raise is good. However, I think you played the hand far too passively. I don't think you should have gone into call-down mode at this stage. I would have raised MP at least once more in this hand. As far as I can see, you're most likely leading the whole way. |
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Re: How do you badasses play these badass pp\'s? (AA, QQ)
nice reply
you were correct on the second hand, I was leading the whole way, won it that hand came directly after the AA hand, which I was tilting from I guess. Villain had J6, and claimed it was his favorite hand pf, then ran into 2 pair |
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Re: How do you badasses play these badass pp\'s? (AA, QQ)
hand 1: I push that flop... I will check-cold call here against two opponents approximately 0% of the time... played as is with the lead check, I 3-bet here....
given the way you played the flop... I could go either way between a donk out or check-raise... hard for me to say as I would have established myself differently on flop... river is fine given the way you played it... can't get away at this point in this pot even with a strong read... hand 2: 3-bet that pre-flop... this is just asking for trouble/earning you less money... your pre-flop play made it difficult to know exactly where you are at here... as played i think it's okay from the flop on... occasionally I'll mix in a raise/fold on the river there... |
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Re: How do you badasses play these badass pp\'s? (AA, QQ)
Hand 1: I'll sometimes play it the same, more often 3bet the flop. With the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in my hand, there really aren't many turn cards that I'm scared of, but I don't want to let someone draw cheaply (or for free when the turn is checked through) against me.
Hand 2: 3-bet preflop, cap flop, raise turn & call down if 3bet there. If he capped my preflop 3-bet, I usually just call down unimproved after capping the flop. Seriously, not 3-betting preflop in Hand 2 is a serious mistake that is going to cost you a bunch of pots if that's your standard play. As a bonus, you won Hand 2 & lost Hand 1 to MP1's KJo. |
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