Stars 55/90...Tough Spot on turn w/KK

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Converted by PokerGeek
PokerStars NL Hold'em Tournament - 100/200 Blinds (6 handed)

New to table, so no reads...blah, blah. I can't think of much in his range that I'm beating here, maybe QQ with the Q of spades? I'm thinking that he pushes AsK preflop, but who knows?

Starting Stacks
Seat 1: Big blind (Hero) (T10918)
Seat 2: UTG (T11894)
Seat 4: LP (T5868)
Seat 5: CO (T6985)
Seat 7: Button (T5703)
Seat 8: Small blind (T10560)

Preflop: Hero is Big blind with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO raises (800), <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero raises (2400), CO calls (1600)

Flop: (T5100) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (T5100) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO all-in (4560), Hero...???

[iH8poker]

I think your read is correct...he'ld probably have pushed all in with QQ preflop, but played as shown with AK.

Good raise preflop, bad cards. If he pegs you on a pair, then the two flush cards don't scare him, but the 3 do, forcing the all in bet if he has AK no spade.

[kniper]

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I think your read is correct...he'ld probably have pushed all in with QQ preflop, but played as shown with AK.

Good raise preflop, bad cards. If he pegs you on a pair, then the two flush cards don't scare him, but the 3 do, forcing the all in bet if he has AK no spade.

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I concur. Unless you have a read on the guy as a donk, I would fold. I feel like I have called many times in this situation and been wrong enough to know not to do it.

Also, I think push PF is good. 4xBB PF raise could very well be able to call a push thinking its a resteal. I don't think players push their big PF hands enough. They get paid off more than you would think.

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I think your read is correct...he'ld probably have pushed all in with QQ preflop, but played as shown with AK.

Good raise preflop, bad cards. If he pegs you on a pair, then the two flush cards don't scare him, but the 3 do, forcing the all in bet if he has AK no spade.

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I concur. Unless you have a read on the guy as a donk, I would fold. I feel like I have called many times in this situation and been wrong enough to know not to do it.

Also, I think push PF is good. 4xBB PF raise could very well be able to call a push thinking its a resteal. I don't think players push their big PF hands enough. They get paid off more than you would think.

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First of all, if he has an ace with no spade, you are a 3-1 dog getting 2-1 pot odds.

Secondly, I don't see how his pushing at this point when behind KK makes him a donk.

Thirdly, he could be pushing a lower flush draw.

[betgo]

I think you have to call this with the flush draw and pot odds.

I wouldn't have played it as you did on any street.

[erc007]

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I think you have to call this with the flush draw and pot odds.

I wouldn't have played it as you did on any street.

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Please elaborate...I know you're a very good player, so I'd appreciate your input on alternatives to my plays.

[betgo]

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I think you have to call this with the flush draw and pot odds.

I wouldn't have played it as you did on any street.

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Please elaborate...I know you're a very good player, so I'd appreciate your input on alternatives to my plays.

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Nothing really wrong with how you played it. I would just push preflop. I would play 55, JTs, AQo or whatever the same way. The pot is pretty big and it is not a disaster if villain folds. Plus the 4xBB raise may indicate he has a hand he will call with. The small raise may give away you have a big hand, and what do you do when an ace hits?

Are you checking the flop with the idea of calling or folding? I probably just push. You are getting 2-1 and you are about 15% against an ace with set and backdoor flush and straight outs.

On the turn, you are 3-1 against Ax with 2-1 pot odds, so I push. I think you have to call the push, as there is a good chance you are ahead as passive as you played this.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2112532
pokenum -h ks kd - ah 7h -- ad js 6s
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Js 6s Ad
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks Kd 146 14.75 844 85.25 0 0.00 0.147
Ah 7h 844 85.25 146 14.75 0 0.00 0.853

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2112534
pokenum -h ks kd - ah 7h -- ad js 6s 5s
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing Js 6s 5s Ad
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks Kd 11 25.00 33 75.00 0 0.00 0.250
Ah 7h 33 75.00 11 25.00 0 0.00 0.750

[erc007]

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I think you have to call this with the flush draw and pot odds.

I wouldn't have played it as you did on any street.

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Please elaborate...I know you're a very good player, so I'd appreciate your input on alternatives to my plays.

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Are you checking the flop with the idea of calling or folding?

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That's a good question. I was probably leaning towards calling, b/c I just couldn't put him on any hands that have an Ace that could just flat-call my RR, given these stack sizes. Does any good player flat-call here with AQs;AQo;AKs;AKo? I know my RR was on the smaller side, but he still has to call 25% of his stack just to see a flop. The more that I think about it, the likelihood that he has an Ace is pretty slim. If he's decent, we should be able to eliminate speculative holdings here, so my flush outs probably were clean.

[betgo]

Checking the flop to trap him into pushing with a pp is OK. I would push the turn with the flush draw, but checking again is not terrible. You have to call when he pushes.

Your flush outs are probably good, but he could have As, in which case you are of course drawing slim.

Hard to say what he will flat call a reraise for 1/3 of his stack with here.

[J.A.K.]

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. I would just push preflop. I would play 55, JTs, AQo or whatever the same way.

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Really? 50 BB?