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Old 09-09-2006, 04:27 PM
ratholeusoul ratholeusoul is offline
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Default [200plo]: Valuebetting AA, but the board straightens out.

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $502.87
UTG+1: $196
MP1: $200
MP2: $42.19
MP3: $160.62
CO: $203.08
Button: $283.56
SB: $176.90
BB: $90

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($31, 4 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $29.45</font>, Hero calls, CO folds.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($89.9, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $50</font>, Button calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($189.9, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $60</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $309.9
<font color="#ffffff">Button shows Tc Kh 8h 4s </font>
<font color="#ffffff">Hero shows 7d Ac 7c As </font>

Haven't been focusing on the tables, so no reads on villain. His stats were passive enough for him to slowplay KK like this, I guess. That's why I thought he would only call a river raise with hands that beat me. Comments?
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Old 09-09-2006, 04:41 PM
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Default Re: [200plo]: Valuebetting AA, but the board straightens out.

Why wouldn't you bet the flop?
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Old 09-09-2006, 05:37 PM
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Default Re: [200plo]: Valuebetting AA, but the board straightens out.

id definitly bet that flop.
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Old 09-09-2006, 06:17 PM
ratholeusoul ratholeusoul is offline
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Default Re: [200plo]: Valuebetting AA, but the board straightens out.

I don't bet flops like that because I can't stand a reraise. Multiway especially, there's trouble if somebody hit a set. With check/call line, I'm not losing much equity with my nutflushdraw and control pot size so that most of the money is yet to bet, if I hit my good cards. If I get reraised, I'm either playing an allin pot here or folding - neither are EV+.

Oh also, I really get no information by betting here. If I get reraised, the villain can be on a bluff (trying to push me off blank AAxx), have a good straightdraw, flushdraw, twopair, set... anything really. Most likely a set thought and that's the only hand with which he'd pay me off if I hit my flush card. If he check/calls, again I get no information - could be any of the hands mentioned above. By checking and showing weakness, I let the opponents show that they want the pot now instead of taking free cards (this is what they would probably do with flushdraw or missed flops - so I get those holdings most likely eliminated). I think check/call is the superior line here - thought I'd with higher stakes players would comment on this.
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Old 09-09-2006, 09:31 PM
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Default Re: [200plo]: Valuebetting AA, but the board straightens out.

you need to bet this flop, you should be raising more than just AAxx pf from that position. if so, just never raise EP. Why are you raising PF if u can c-bet this flop? Are you expecting an Axx or 7xx flop? I mean you can get a much better flop. If you get r/r you at least know where you are and can re-evaluate.
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Old 09-10-2006, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: [200plo]: Valuebetting AA, but the board straightens out.

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I don't bet flops like that because I can't stand a reraise.

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Strongly disagree. You have enough hand to go full strength at this pot.
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Old 09-10-2006, 03:08 PM
Lafortezza Lafortezza is offline
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Default Re: [200plo]: Valuebetting AA, but the board straightens out.

Bet/raise/push every street plz.
You really think Villain has KKxx or 66xx a high % of the time here?
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Old 09-10-2006, 12:34 AM
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Default Re: [200plo]: Valuebetting AA, but the board straightens out.

pot flop, shove if raised (run ur equity v a likely range). check turn (shove if he bets) As played c/r AI on river.
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Old 09-10-2006, 05:00 AM
ratholeusoul ratholeusoul is offline
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Default Re: [200plo]: Valuebetting AA, but the board straightens out.

What about my turn/river line?
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Old 09-10-2006, 11:38 AM
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Default Re: [200plo]: Valuebetting AA, but the board straightens out.

durrr, u want a c/r on river here? I like leading river here because I think that for future instances this gives you a change for bluffing. I think by betting 2/3-full pot you give yourself a chance to bluff in the future and getting called by worse hands. Do you think worse hands call ur c/r?
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