wow we're [censored] DEEP

klonpucko · #1 09-05-2006, 09:48 PM

SUP DUDES AND DUDETTES. i went on a sick heater this morning and sat on two 500bb stacks at pp2k. i should have left this particular table cause this other 500bb stack was sitting there and i have very limited experience with playing this ultra deep. however, i didn't and i obviously feel pretty uncomfortable when playing this deep. what should i done differently? i mean boat seems pretty much ruled out given his bet sizes but i would have felt pretty [censored] retarded if i had pushed river and he had tabled A3 screaming SHIP IT U IDIOT. i would have felt pretty [censored] smart if he had folded AK or made a retarded donkcall with AJ tho. what do you guys think? (apart from "don't play this deep if blablabla", i left the tables shortly after this hand.)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($4295.77)
MP ($12093.66)
CO ($891.53)
Button ($1880)
Hero ($9472.03)
BB ($2000)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $10.
1 fold, MP raises to $70, 2 folds, Hero (poster) calls $60, 1 fold.

Flop: ($160) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $157, MP calls $157.

Turn: ($474) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $471, MP raises to $1300, Hero calls $829.

River: ($3074) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1500, Hero calls $1500.

Final Pot: $6074

fsuplayer · #2 09-05-2006, 09:51 PM

make it 4k?

that makes it look like u have air or a house i think.

so he will call with some aces, but never reraise worse, so i think u can safely fold.

comments?

Jason Strasser (strassa2) · #3 09-05-2006, 09:55 PM

Im not in love with a river CR here. I mean MAYBE AQ AJ pay you off, but I think often enough you never push him off a better hand and you also lose a lot of money when you are behind.

MDMA · #4 09-05-2006, 09:57 PM

I think you can lead river for 2.5k.

Also I would likely 3-bet preflop.

fsuplayer · #5 09-05-2006, 09:58 PM

yeah, would def. 3 bet pf. esp when suited.

klonpucko · #6 09-05-2006, 10:10 PM

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yeah, would def. 3 bet pf. esp when suited.

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this also seems weird to me. i kinda thought that AK, even when suited had enormous reverse implieds when playing this deep, so i didn't want to bloat the pot or define my hand. i just wanted as much postflop leverage as i could get against the guy in a spot like this. elaborate?

klonpucko · #7 09-05-2006, 10:07 PM

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make it 4k?

that makes it look like u have air or a house i think.

so he will call with some aces, but never reraise worse, so i think u can safely fold.

comments?

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raising for value just seems so... pointless. the guy did not strike me as a donkey and would any non-donkey EVER call a river raise with less than AK here MINIMUM? raising as a bluff with AK here would be so sick it makes me jizz my pants and it didn't cross my mind at the time and i was super scared to reopen the betting, but does he have a house here even like 10% of the time?

would YOU guys ever call river raise with AQ here? that's not giving the deepstack guy calling from the blinds much respect IMO.

Ansky · #8 09-05-2006, 09:51 PM

I'd bet just a bit less on the turn, but other than that it looks pretty good to me.

fsuplayer · #9 09-05-2006, 09:53 PM

hmmm, i just think we are losing too much value against any ace that might raise the turn.

depends on the villian though. klon, PM me?

Ansky · #10 09-05-2006, 09:56 PM

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hmmm, i just think we are losing too much value against any ace that might raise the turn.

depends on the villian though. klon, PM me?

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fsu, do u expect most villains to call a river c/r with AQ? AT? A8? In general I really wouldn't expect most to call with the latter 2, and even AQ I wouldn't exactly expect him to fold, but if he did I wouldnt be surprised.