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09-05-2006, 02:00 PM
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Lost on the turn, plan ?
No reads, new table.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) TightPoker converter linuxrocks ($48) BB ($48.70) UTG ($47) MP ($36.85) CO ($55.05) Button ($123.25) Preflop: linuxrocks is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, linuxrocks completes, BB checks. Flop: ($3) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> linuxrocks checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $2</font>, CO folds, Button calls $2, linuxrocks calls $2, BB folds, UTG folds. Turn: ($9) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">linuxrocks ??</font> The guy surely seems to have an Q, c/r all-in or bet or c/c ? 
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#3
09-05-2006, 02:06 PM
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Re: Lost on the turn, plan ?
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c/c [/ QUOTE ] Why ?
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#4
09-05-2006, 02:08 PM
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Re: Lost on the turn, plan ?
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[ QUOTE ] c/c [/ QUOTE ] Why ? [/ QUOTE ] b/c its not a good idea to push players off any pair, let alone top pair. And if we hit, pretty much all our outs are deceptive, so we have really good implied odds
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#5
09-05-2006, 02:12 PM
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Re: Lost on the turn, plan ?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] c/c [/ QUOTE ] Why ? [/ QUOTE ] b/c its not a good idea to push players off any pair, let alone top pair. And if we hit, pretty much all our outs are deceptive, so we have really good implied odds [/ QUOTE ] Ok, makes sense. What if he bets too much ? Shouldn't we try to price ourself with a small bet ? The hand went like this PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) TightPoker converter linuxrocks ($48) BB ($48.70) UTG ($47) MP ($36.85) CO ($55.05) Button ($123.25) Preflop: linuxrocks is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, linuxrocks completes, BB checks. Flop: ($3) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> linuxrocks checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $2</font>, CO folds, Button calls $2, linuxrocks calls $2, BB folds, UTG folds. Turn: ($9) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">linuxrocks bets $6.5</font>, MP calls $6.50, Button folds. River: ($22) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">linuxrocks checks</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets to $20 </font>, linuxrocks folds.
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#6
09-05-2006, 02:13 PM
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Re: Lost on the turn, plan ?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] c/c [/ QUOTE ] Why ? [/ QUOTE ] b/c its not a good idea to push players off any pair, let alone top pair. And if we hit, pretty much all our outs are deceptive, so we have really good implied odds [/ QUOTE ] Ok, makes sense. What if he bets too much ? Shouldn't we try to price ourself with a small bet ? The hand went like this PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) TightPoker converter linuxrocks ($48) BB ($48.70) UTG ($47) MP ($36.85) CO ($55.05) Button ($123.25) Preflop: linuxrocks is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, linuxrocks completes, BB checks. Flop: ($3) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> linuxrocks checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $2</font>, CO folds, Button calls $2, linuxrocks calls $2, BB folds, UTG folds. Turn: ($9) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">linuxrocks bets $6.5</font>, MP calls $6.50, Button folds. River: ($22) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">linuxrocks checks</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets to $20 </font>, linuxrocks folds. [/ QUOTE ] river action in this HH is clearly doctored.
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#8
09-05-2006, 02:30 PM
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Re: Lost on the turn, plan ?
I dont know, maybe c/r-ing this turn isn't a good play against an unknown.
I would tend to do it for a few reasons. 1) I think we have decent fold equity vs. a player with basic hand reading ability. c/c-c/r is a fairly strong line. I think vs a hand like QT, we might have decent FE (again, maybe i'm wrong). 2)our hand is disguised and a c/r on the turn enables us for an easy river shove if we hit. Just throwing some alternate lines out there. c/c might be best, but i probably c/r this turn 50/50 here.
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#9
09-05-2006, 03:44 PM
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Re: Lost on the turn, plan ?
Raise preflop to $4 to steal from the limpers.
If you get called, bet your normal cb amount (3/4 pot or full pot, whatever you do usually for a post flop cb). If you get called, I think a second barrel on this turn is worth it for a pot-sized bet. At this point, you may be pot-committed if you get raised by somebody slowplaying a set. It would depend on the size of the pot relative to your remaining stack size. If you get called on the second barrel and river a blank, bluff at the river. The amount of the bluff would depend on the size of your remaining stack. If you've come this far, it's probalby all-in on the end. You might be up against a higher draw and you don't want to lose to A-high (diamonds). I've lost a few pots with this line, but won some too. I like to steal from limpers occasionally with a suited connector or semi-connector. If I get called, I'll play draws fast, but give up after one cb if I don't even have a draw. Anybody else take a line like this one?
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#10
09-05-2006, 03:47 PM
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Re: Lost on the turn, plan ?
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Raise preflop to $4 to steal from the limpers. [/ QUOTE ] Are you sure ? This is not 0.5/1, this is 0.25/0.5. I don't like playing ATo OOP. Most of the limpers will just call and puts us in a bad position. [ QUOTE ] If you get called, bet your normal cb amount (3/4 pot or full pot, whatever you do usually for a post flop cb). If you get called, I think a second barrel on this turn is worth it for a pot-sized bet. At this point, you may be pot-committed if you get raised by somebody slowplaying a set. It would depend on the size of the pot relative to your remaining stack size. If you get called on the second barrel and river a blank, bluff at the river. The amount of the bluff would depend on the size of your remaining stack. If you've come this far, it's probalby all-in on the end. You might be up against a higher draw and you don't want to lose to A-high (diamonds). I've lost a few pots with this line, but won some too. I like to steal from limpers occasionally with a suited connector or semi-connector. If I get called, I'll play draws fast, but give up after one cb if I don't even have a draw. Anybody else take a line like this one? [/ QUOTE ] I don't know why are firing so fast OOP. If we hit hard like this, it's fine, otherwise you have got to re-think your strategy.
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