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Turn call or raise
I have emerged from another SSHE newb session hopfully the better off. So here goes. I am giving myself 15 outs here making my Pot Equity 2BB after villain bet the turn and making a raise on the turn the correct play. Wow, this could be miles out but I guess there is only one way to find out. Have I worked this out correctly or am I way off?
PokerRoom 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls. Flop: (7.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls. Turn: (5.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, UTG calls. |
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Re: Turn call or raise
Raise is bad. Pot equity is not important. Only when you think there is a decent probability that a raise here will win the pot, you could consider a raise.
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Re: Turn call or raise
So you only consider pot equity when deciding whether to call a bet?
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Re: Turn call or raise
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So you only consider pot equity when deciding whether to call a bet? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, when you raise you need to consider your equity (not pot equity!). If your equity is higher than 100/number of expected callers, then you can raise. |
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Re: Turn call or raise
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[ QUOTE ] So you only consider pot equity when deciding whether to call a bet? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, when you raise you need to consider your equity (not pot equity!). If your equity is higher than 100/number of expected callers, then you can raise. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, so if I had 15 outs to the nuts in a hand - with 3 opponents who were already in for a turn bet and were a cert to call a raise - then I could raise as this is EV+ ? |
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Re: Turn call or raise
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Ok, so if I had 15 outs to the nuts in a hand - with 3 opponents who were already in for a turn bet and were a cert to call a raise - then I could raise as this is EV+? [/ QUOTE ] Right. With 15 outs your turn equity is about 32%, so with more than 2 contributors you can raise for value (assuming they all call the raise). But also with less opponents a call can be +EV, when you have fold equity. Here your raise is a semi-bluff. You hope that all opponents fold. |
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Re: Turn call or raise
IMHO- I call, not raise the turn. We are probably behind but pot odds gives us a call. Call bonus= if we catch one of our 15 outs we want both villians to stay in and pay us off.
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Re: Turn call or raise
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IMHO- I call, not raise the turn. We are probably behind but pot odds gives us a call. Call bonus= if we catch one of our 15 outs we want both villians to stay in and pay us off. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this. Potentially we could pick up a bunch of bets on the river. |
#9
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Re: Turn call or raise
To make this raise +EV you need a lot of fold equity of both players. For that you need a good read, especially on UTG. Is he capable of betting and folding the same street? Is he capable of folding a made hand at all? You need a good read to make this play.
If he is capable of folding, your raise may have set up a bluffing opportunity on the river if you miss. But again you need a good read. Without a good read on both players it's better to call this turn. Let button pad the pot. |
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Re: Turn call or raise
I call the here. Our over cards are not strong enough to spike a pair and win. I'd rather keep the button in to collect another bet on the river if a spade, A or 9 hits. UTG is also more likely to c/f the river if the spade hits, you bet, and he doesn't have one.
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