200-400 Hand.

[David Sklansky]

6 handed. Typical high stakes players. Two to the right of the button opens for 400. You are next and make it 600 with KJ of diamonds. Button makes it 800. Blinds fold. Flop Q42 with diamond club spade. Check, check, bet, call. Easy call, easy fold, close call or close fold?

[JeffO]

Looks like an easy fold to me. Your backdoor draws aren't enough to call with this potential dominated hand with reverse implied odds.

[mike l.]

easy easy fold. too much in the way of reverse implied odds.

[The Funky Llama]

i'd call getting 15.5:1 likely to close action on turn

[The Bryce]

Easy call. There's a lot of money yet to go into this 15SB pot and you're about a 25:1 dog for you diamonds to come in. Throw in a backdoor straight and a percentile for making a pair and you're getting a good price.

[mike l.]

"There's a lot of money yet to go into this 15SB pot and you're about a 25:1 dog for you diamonds to come in. Throw in a backdoor straight and a percentile for making a pair and you're getting a good price."

very optimistic. be sure to ignore all the bad things that happen when you make a pair and are crushed or pick up a draw and have to start calling raises wedged between two aggressive typical high limit players. you guys arent thinking about this very carefully.

[TheRedDragon]

Easy call.

[TheRedDragon]

6/47 of the time we're going to turn a flush draw.

3/47 of the time we're going to turn an open-ended straight draw.

6/47 of the time we're going to turn a gutshot straight draw.

1/47 of the time we're going to turn an open-ended straight and flush draw.

2/47 of the time we're going to turn a gutshot straight and flush draw.

A bit less than 7/47 of the time we're going to turn a pair.

Taken from the turn forward, these are all profitable prospects, possibly (but not likely) excepting the turns where we make a pair. If these should be unprofitable, we're right to dump them even when we make a pair and lump them with the 22/47 of the time when we turn air and give the hand up. Complaints of bad reverse implied odds are largely without merit.

The question is whether the profitability of the 25/47 of the time wherein we improve on the turn outweighs the 1 SB investment which will have been lost those times we do not. I'm fairly certain, without having checked the numbers, that the answer is an emphatic yes.

The combo draws are hugely profitable in such a monsterous pot, as are the flush draws and open-ended straight draw. I don't have the time to run numbers here, but the amount you're going to be required to invest, on average, on the turn certainly factors heavily into the question of profitability. I'd ballpark the number at 1.33 BB on the turn, and hold that we can extract an average of 2 BB on the river when we improve. I haven't the time or inclination to run the numbers from there, but I'm fairly they'll support a peel.

[maxpowers21]

I assume the open capping hands from Button are standard. You are closing the action getting 15.5:1 odds + slight implied odds for your backdoor straight and flush draws. I think its a close call but you are clearly getting the odds to peel one here. 3 outs is 15:1 ish, i think your backdoor outs are easliy countable as 3+. Especially given the range of AK, AKs being possible holdings of the button, where a jack may be good.

[TxRedMan]

Easy fold.

How could it not be?

One of the hands I can see either opening or four betting here PF is KQ, and of course AK-AQ.

Is this a trick question?