"Slowplaying" One Pair In a Multi Way RR Pot

[Noam Chomsky]

UTG & SB are ultra aggressive and will go after any pot...hard.

SB has called every single one of my raises since I joined the table about 30 minutes ago so his range is infinite, utg's range is also infinite based on prior experience and sb's call.

Anytime someone shows any sort of weakness, these two will come firing and firing big.

This is definitely not my standard line......thoughts?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($635.40)
UTG ($400)
MP ($394)
Hero ($400)
SB ($615.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K.
UTG raises to $16</font>, 1 fold</font>, Hero raises to $52</font>, SB calls $50, i]1 fold[/i]</font>, UTG calls $36.

Flop: ($160) A, J, Q 3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($160) 6 (3 players)</font>
SB bets $32</font>, UTG raises to $64</font>, Hero calls $64, SB calls $32.

River: ($352) 3 (3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG bets $284 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $284 (All-In), SB folds.

Final Pot: $920

[Eagles]

Fold Turn

[Noam Chomsky]

Why? Maybe my descriptions were bad but against two ultra aggressive guys (not stupid, just off of the aggression charts) but I don't ever see folding the turn as being correct.

[ArturiusX]

Dude, what are you beating?

[blitz]

Ax, which should be enough to call against this kind of maniac

[Noam Chomsky]

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xx , which should be enough to call against this kind of maniac

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very close sir.

[AlwaysAir]

bet flop for the love of god fold to any resistance

[Praetor]

Bet the flop yo

[Lucky]

Even aggro guys, unless aggro 60/25 donks, will play a bit straighter with this pf action. Betting flop and folding turn are both options. I think river fold is mandatory.

[Noam Chomsky]

Ok, here are my thoughts on the hand, and why I played it like I did. Faulty logic?

As I mentioned, pf both of their ranges are wide open, very close to infinite. Against normal TAG opponents with reasonable three bet ranges, this is obv. a bad flop for me and I need to bet to define their hands/protect mine. But against two ultra aggressive, borderline maniacs with enormous ranges, I liked it quite a bit........

My thought is that by betting the flop, they can narrow down my range but I don't get to learn much about theirs, specifically due to the way that they play.

Knowing that they'll be willing to try to push me off of my hand with an equally wide range as they would call my pf 3-bet, it allows me to keep their ranges wide open and with that range, I can comfortably go to the felt with TPTK. In other words, I like my hand against either of their pushing ranges but not against either of their calling ranges.

In any case, I thought their turn action was pretty bad and extremely transparent. I'm curious to hear what about a 1/5 pot bet (obv draw or weak pair) followed by a min-raise for less than half pot by an ultra-aggressive dude narrows their ranges down to something beating TPTK.