$55: A couple value bets

[wuwei]

Yes, I have no reads to offer. Balls.

PartyPoker $55 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t40 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t2870)
UTG+1 (t2100)
MP1 (t1960)
MP2 (t2989)
MP3 (t1880)
Hero (t2341)
Button (t1940)
SB (t1920)
BB (t2000)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, MP1 calls t40, MP2 calls t40, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, Hero calls t40, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, BB checks

Flop: (t180) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets t80</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t235</font>, BB calls t235, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t155

Turn: (t885) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks

River: (t885) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t300</font>...






PartyPoker $55 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t60 (10 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t2000)
UTG+1 (t2040)
MP1 (t2130)
MP2 (t2220)
MP3 (t1809)
CO+1 (t2000)
CO (t1720)
Button (t1850)
SB (t2273)
BB (t1958)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero raises to t170</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO+1 folds</font>, CO calls t170, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, BB calls t110

Flop: (t540) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t453</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, BB calls t453

Turn: (t1446) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t1446) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t352</font>...

[FoldYourLife]

Hand 1 fold PF. Hand 2 I don't like the value bet at all. What hands that you beat are calling? Also, you definitely don't want to get check-raised and have to throw your hand away.

[craig1120]

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Hand 1 fold PF. Hand 2 I don't like the value bet at all. What hands that you beat are calling?

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Ya I think a check behind is probably better.. I can only see JJ or QQ calling that we beat and they probably play previous streets differently

[craig1120]

I don't like the 1st hand.. I like a fold pf, a smooth call on the flop, and a check behind on the river

2nd hand looks pretty standard to me as long as villian doesn't c/r the river here ever which is probably the case

[ryanghall]

I think I'd check behind both hands. Hand 2 nothing is going to want to call. Hand 1 you may be behind to something like KJ. They *did* call a flop raise. How stupid are your opponents? Do you not have PAHud?

Ryan

[The Yugoslavian]

I don't like either river bet. In the 2nd hand I think you basically get no value from anything and of course you get raised by a str8. That turn and river were not only brutal for your hand but for anyone else who had something like top pair or an overpair or whatever.

In the first hand I don't know how many 2nd best hands are with you that can call? Like most hands that make 2nd pair or a weaker top pair aren't in the BB's range and there aren't too many that MP2 won't have bet on either the turn or river.

Oh, also in the first hand I fold pre and probably call the flop.

Yugoslav

[AliasMrJones]

Hand 1 fold preflop.

Hand 2 I'd check the river through.

[HesseJam]

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Hand 1 fold preflop.



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This is something that annoys me a little at this board (Mr.Jones, please don't take this personally, many others do this too, even in this thread):

The OP poses a question: "River value bet or not"? Responses should not just say "Fold pre flop" and then end of discussion. It's ok to say this but then the original question should also be discussed.

OK, my take: I haven't played a single 55, so I can't really add. At the 15+1, hand 1 is an ok value bet against typical unknowns because nonsense holdings are paying off. I's raise a bit less though, maybe 240. Hand 2 is never one because nonsense straights are possible and like slow playing.

[bennies]

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UTG (t2870)
UTG+1 (t2100)
MP1 (t1960)
MP2 (t2989)
MP3 (t1880)
Hero (t2341)
Button (t1940)
SB (t1920)
BB (t2000)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, MP1 calls t40, MP2 calls t40, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, Hero calls t40, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, BB checks

Flop: (t180) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets t80</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t235</font>, BB calls t235, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t155

Turn: (t885) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks

River: (t885) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t300</font>...


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I didn't read other replies.
Preflop: Ok, I fold mostly, raising or calling are fine too imo.

Flop: I'd just call the t80 and see what they do.

Turn: Well, the way you got here I now think we have the best hand. I'd bet t600 and hope to take it down. I'd fold to a raise.

River: The way you got here I think the value bet is good, probably a worse J or a good T will call you. If raised I'd dump it.

[AmazingErvin]

Hand 1 fold preflop and bet turn.

Hand 2 absolutely not, there is a 4 straight on board. He's not going to call you with middle pair or something.