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\"Don\'t forget the dealer\" - WTF?
Playing 5/10 PLO at the Aviation Club in Paris. I don't remember the exact hand, but basically, it was me heads up vs another guy, and very little dead money. We got all in for about 1.5K each on the flop and tabled our hands, it was something like top two+SD for me, top two+FD for him. Turn is a flush card, but we fill up on the river and split. We talk about it a little bit as the dealer is collecting the cards, and I express my relief, when the dealer interrupts me: 'Excuse me sir.. don't forget the dealer [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]'.
W..T..F???? Hell, even if I win big it's up to me whether I want to tip. And I usually do, split pot or not. But 'don't forget the dealer'? WTF? I have never ever intentionally stiffed a dealer. Sometimes I get caught up in the excitement and forget, then several hands pass, and it's off my mind. Tough [censored] break. It happens, and while I think dealers deserve their tips, they don't deserve it enough to warrant asking for it. Problem is, what am I gonna do? Antagonize a dealer? That can't be a smart thing to do, considering how much of your money passes through his hands. I know I would be a little quicker to 'accidently' muck someones cards if I felt like it. There's plenty of room for dealers to screw you, even within the rules (especially in Paris where they have no cameras [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]). Similarly, there's plenty of room for them to make life a little easier for you, without being dishonest of course. That's worth a couple extra bucks to me. |
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Re: \"Don\'t forget the dealer\" - WTF?
[ QUOTE ]
Problem is, what am I gonna do? Antagonize a dealer? That can't be a smart thing to do, considering how much of your money passes through his hands. I know I would be a little quicker to 'accidently' muck someones cards if I felt like it. There's plenty of room for dealers to screw you, even within the rules (especially in Paris where they have no cameras [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]). Similarly, there's plenty of room for them to make life a little easier for you, without being dishonest of course. That's worth a couple extra bucks to me. [/ QUOTE ] On principle alone I wouldn't be tipping him anymore for the rest of that session (meaning if he came back to the table a couple hours later I'd treat him like any other dealer). I also would have responded with a simple "I didn't" when he said that to you. I [censored] hate people that expect tips like that. I realize that its part of their wages, but they also realize that its not a mandatory thing. In this pot a tip wasn't called for. Realistically, there's not much he can do to you, as long as you're careful. Protect your hand, and make sure you don't make any of those tiny errors that are often over looked. |
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Re: \"Don\'t forget the dealer\" - WTF?
I think everyone that has not played in this room shoudl avoid commenting on how far out of live this dealer was. In most places in the US the dealer would have been completely out of line; however, that is France and i have no idea what the customs are there.
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Re: \"Don\'t forget the dealer\" - WTF?
I only tip out of pots I win, as a rule. I figure if I didn't make money on the hand, no reason the dealer should.
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Re: \"Don\'t forget the dealer\" - WTF?
I don't care if he was out of line or not. I was talking about what my reaction would be in that situation. My comments stand. If its custom there for a player to tip in that situation, I don't give a [censored]. Until a place makes it a rule to pay the dealer after every hand, I reserve my right to tip or not tip WHENEVER THE [censored] I LIKE! (little Rounders homage there)
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Re: \"Don\'t forget the dealer\" - WTF?
This is Paris; don't forget the dealer.
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Re: \"Don\'t forget the dealer\" - WTF?
That's pretty classless.
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Re: \"Don\'t forget the dealer\" - WTF?
You might have to chalk this up to it being a different custom in another country. I've tipped waitresses and bar girls in Europe and they get confused. Tipping isn't the same everywhere.
I'm very pro dealer. But if there's a dealer that says something like that, or says "nice hand", or gives me a speech about how he spends his tips on his kids, or how he only makes $4 an hour... he's cut off. There are too many good dealers that work hard and don't beg. They take their stiffs. And if the dealer doesn't say thank you...he's cut off too. I'm not talking about if he forgets to say it once. But if he drops $1 after $1 for a down and never says thanks to anyone, he's cut off. Thats the only thing I ask for. Do your job well, don't beg, and appreciate it when a player tips you. |
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Re: \"Don\'t forget the dealer\" - WTF?
I've never stiffed a dealer in my life this would have been the first time and the rest of the time at his table
and I don't care what the custom is. Here most places thats grounds for dismissal |
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Re: \"Don\'t forget the dealer\" - WTF?
If the dealer is a typical French woman, just give her the whole pot. O/t, call the floor and ask if it's customary for the dealer to say what he said. He said it in front of the table, you say it in front of the floor at the table. If it's customary, tip or not. If the dealer let's tipping affect dispute resolution, please get his name, post it here, and recommend to every 2+2er to boycott his tables. That's a disaster.
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