Floor Ruling?? 75s vs. 22 on 36963 board

[mikeJ]

Local cardroom. NL Hold'em. I'm in a small raised pot and the board gets checked down to show 36963 and I open 75s for the table and say, "I play board". My opponent opens 22, I laugh and say, "ok, chop" and I throw my cards to the muck.

Should the whole pot be awarded to my opponent or should it be chopped?

[mt_david]

Chop.

[AKQJ10]

You tabled your hand. It's live.

But it sounds like you may have gotten a good lesson, too: Don't ever release your hand until the dealer pushes you your money or you see a better hand.

(An Exception for that wacky casino someone mentioned where the dealer mucks the cards before pushing the pot is duly noted.)

[mikeJ]

My opponent and I resolved the issue by chopping, w/o calling the floor, but I wondered what the floor ruling would've been.

Does mucking the cards face down make my hand dead even though I first declared "I play the board" which was still face up?

[bernie]

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Does mucking the cards face down make my hand dead even though I first declared "I play the board" which was still face up?

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So you're asking if you didn't show your hand at all, and mucked deep into the muck, but just said, 'I play the board', would your hand still be valid? No.

b

[steamraise]

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Does mucking the cards face down make my hand dead even though I first declared "I play the board" which was still face up?

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You must show two cards to get a pot.

If you put your cards face up on the table you have
tabled your hand and your cards speak for themselves.

If you flash your cards to another player and them
muck them face down you have a real chance of not
getting any of the pot.

[bernie]

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Local cardroom. NL Hold'em. I'm in a small raised pot and the board gets checked down to show 36963 and I open 75s for the table and say, "I play board". My opponent opens 22, I laugh and say, "ok, chop" and I throw my cards to the muck.

Should the whole pot be awarded to my opponent or should it be chopped?

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Technically, you don't say whether you 'tabled' your hand. You just 'opened' it. Which is equivalent to just flashing it. In that case, cardspeak isn't attached.

However, the 22 would be a dick for pursuing this not to be a chopped pot based on that even though, technically, a case could be made in his favor.

If you must, don't throw your cards into the muck until they've been verified with cardspeak being attached. It can be an expensive lesson.

b

[mikeJ]

Umm, what is cardspeak?

[bernie]

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Umm, what is cardspeak?

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You put both cards on the table face-up(tabling your hand). Then anyone can confirm your hand even if the dealer, or you, miscalls it. Even if it is then mucked on accident and others can confirm what you had, your hand is still valid. Some home games will attach cardspeak just in flashing the hand and declaring in view of others at table. Usually not the case in a cardroom.

This is the only time more than 'one person to a hand' is allowed.

b

[Rottersod]

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Local cardroom. NL Hold'em. I'm in a small raised pot and the board gets checked down to show 36963 and I open 75s for the table and say, "I play board". My opponent opens 22, I laugh and say, "ok, chop" and I throw my cards to the muck.

Should the whole pot be awarded to my opponent or should it be chopped?

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Technically, you don't say whether you 'tabled' your hand. You just 'opened' it. Which is equivalent to just flashing it. In that case, cardspeak isn't attached.

However, the 22 would be a dick for pursuing this not to be a chopped pot based on that even though, technically, a case could be made in his favor.

If you must, don't throw your cards into the muck until they've been verified with cardspeak being attached. It can be an expensive lesson.

b

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His cards did speak since he said he was playing the board - those were his cards and they were all face up. The cards he was playing were not in his hand so he should be able to muck them and chop.