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First off, congrats to ucla on this win (I know it's a bit old, but people should never be sick of hearing that). Crazy how you were down to t429 when you had to post the BB of t400 and was one card away from being eliminated. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Also, thanks for sharing this hand history and helping ch_mps like me plug some leaks. Now, on with the discussion. Hand 1 9-handed. Blinds 25/50. ucla has t1355 and is dealt AJo UTG+1. UTG folds, <font color="red"> ucla folds</font> Kramer's comments/questions: Is this fold standard? I'd normally open here with 66+, AT+. I realize though that our stack is awkward to make any sort of c-bet and cannot handle a reraise PF. I guess then, in a sense, opening with AJo here would be like opening with any 2. Perhaps leak #1 for me? Hand 2 9-handed. Blinds 25/50. ucla has t1280 and is dealt 77 in the CO. MP1 (t805) opens for 200. <font color="red"> ucla folds </font> Kramer's comments/questions: This one feels pretty standard to me. Just wondering if anyone gets frisky here and tries to isolate? Hand 3 9-handed. Blinds 25/50. ucla has t1280 and is dealt QJo in MP1. <font color="red"> ucla open folds </font> Kramer's comments/questions: Again, probably another leak, but I will often open with this hand here. Hand 4 9-handed. Blinds 50/100. ucla has t1280 and is dealt 77 in MP2. SB has t805 and BB has t555. <font color="red"> ucla open folds </font> Kramer's comments/questions: Not sure how I'd play this (sometimes I think I would raise and call a reraise and sometimes I would just open push) but I am almost never open-folding with 13BBs with 77 here. Thoughts? Hand 5 9-handed. Blinds 75/150. ucla has t1330 and is dealt 77 on the Button. CO (t1740) opens for 450. <font color="red"> ucla pushes </font> Kramer's comments/questions: Ucla spiked his 7 on the flop against CO's AA. I was just wondering if anyone waits until the turn or river to suck out so that it stings more for CO. HAHA, jk... this play is standard also. nh. Hand 6 9-handed. Blinds 75/150. ucla has t2885 and is dealt 77 UTG+1 (man, you get dealt 77 a lot). SB has t6332 and BB has t2020. <font color="red"> ucla open folds </font> Kramer's comments/questions: Again, now with 19BBs, I'm opening a fairly wide range here. Same leak rearing it's ugly head for me? Hand 7 9-handed. Blinds 100/200. ucla has t2410 and is dealt AJo UTG. SB has t610 and BB has t2055. <font color="red"> ucla open folds </font> Kramer's comments/questions: Anyone else push this? Hand 8 8-handed. Blinds 100/200/a10. ucla has t5115 and is dealt AQo UTG. SB (ActionBob) has t2520 and BB has t3966. <font color="red"> ucla open folds </font> Kramer's comments/questions: Since we know I open pretty light here, I'm definitely opening with AQ. I'm curious if anyone can rationalize this fold. Hand 9 9-handed. Blinds 100/200/a10. ucla has t5505 and is dealt 69s in the BB. Button (t808) opens for 600. <font color="red"> ucla calls </font> Kramer's comments/questions: I suppose were are getting 2:1 on this call (which is effectively a push since we are never folding to any flop I presume). Anyone fold this though? Hand 10 9-handed. Blinds 100/200/a10. ucla has t4687 and is dealt KTo in the SB. MP (t14045) limps, <font color="red"> ucla completes</font>, BB (t3825) checks. Flop comes KJ6 with 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]s. Checked to MP who bets 200, <font color="red"> ucla raises to 800</font> Kramer's comments/questions: This hand is interesting because of our stack size. Are we deep enough to just call and keep the pot small and potentially let BB in cheap. How does everyone feel about this hand? Hand 11 9-handed. Blinds 150/300/a15. ucla has t3672 and is dealt A6o on the Button. SB has t3610 and BB has t7990. <font color="red"> ucla open folds</font> Kramer's comments/questions: Anyone else open-push here? Hand 12 8-handed. Blinds 300/600/a30. ucla has t5244 and is dealt TT in the SB. UTG+1 (t24K) opens for 1500, MP pushes for ~t10K, <font color="red"> ucla folds</font> Kramer's comments/questions: I think UTG+1's range is pretty wide because he's so deep. Also, with only 15BBs, I think MP's range might be as wide as 66+, AT+, KQ. I think I get my chips in here. Thoughts? Hand 13 8-handed. Blinds 400/800/a40. ucla has ~t14K and is dealt 55 UTG+1. SB has ~t10K and BB has ~t5K. <font color="red"> ucla open folds</font> Kramer's comments/questions: Does anyone else raise here hoping to get HU with BB? Hand 14 9-handed. Blinds 400/800/a40. ucla has ~t15.6K and is dealt JJ in the CO. UTG min-raises to 1600, LP1 pushes for 3500 <font color="red"> ucla flat calls</font> Kramer's comments/questions: Understood that pushing might allow UTG to play perfect or closer to it, but do we really want to call of over 1/5 of our stack to see if an over flops? I don't want to presume to know what ucla's flop plan was, but I'd be looking to iso-push here to get HU with the short stack. Something I found interesting overall is that ucla seems to rarely raise with a hand that he wouldn't be able to call a reraise with. Obviously, this means his opening range is a lot tighter than usual. I was wondering what others' thoughts were on this "style." Anyway, my focus was more on the beginning game than end game, so I'll stop there. If we get some good value out of talking about specific hands, perhaps I'll even finish this tournament up. |
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Ucla is the anti-Nath. Wow. I play a lot of the hands like Kramer.
H1: I probably open that too. H2: Fold for me H3: I fold that H4: I push H5: I push too H6: I probably raise, and at least if nothing else, I limp H7: I probably push. Folding isn't out of the question. H8: I open that H9: I fold there H10: Preflop is fine, I lead the flop H11: I push H12: I call there H13: No, folding seems OK there H14: I raise to isolate |
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Ucla is the anti-Nath [/ QUOTE ] lol Jurollo, how can we NOT make this ucla's title? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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I actually like how tight he's playing OOP. It seems that he's thinking ahead and doesn't want to play for his stack w/ mediocre holdings OOP (AJ,77, AQ is questionable though).
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I actually like how tight he's playing OOP. It seems that he's thinking ahead and doesn't want to play for his stack w/ mediocre holdings OOP (AJ,77, AQ is questionable though). [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I agree, I probably overplay those hands slightly too. One of those things where I know I stopped doing it for a while when I was learning to play, then decided I was now good enough at poker to start playing those hands...but in reality, I'm probably just putting myself in bad spots by playing them at all, regardless of a skill edge that I might have now. |
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Ucla is the anti-Nath. [/ QUOTE ] ROFL! |
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[ QUOTE ] Ucla is the anti-Nath. [/ QUOTE ] ROFL! [/ QUOTE ] Playing tightly preflop with marginal hands OOP does not mean a player is generally tight. |
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Paul IS generally a tight player, though. So unlike me, he probably faces fewer tough decisions and gets his money in with the best of it far more often, whereas my style is really geared towards hitting big well-disguised hands or pushing opponents around and hoping to get lucky if they do call.
Most of these hands are a matter of style, but in general it's better to err on the side of too tight in EP than too loose, particularly with marginal hands. For example, early at an unknown table you might see me raise a K4s or 74s or 65o in EP but often fold a hand like AT. (Of course, at a weak table I play the AT because I'm playing as many hands as possible.) Just remember the importance of position. If I have position on a weak or predictable opponent, I don't need the cards. Hell, I don't need ANY cards as long as he thinks I have cards. FWIW here's my standard line for the hands posted, given that I know nothing about the table dynamics or the players involved: 1)Open to 130 2)Fold, but in my worse moments I push 3)Maybe fold, maybe open to 130, very table dependent 4)I jam 5)Standard 6)375-400 7)475-525 8)575-625. I think folding this during the ante rounds is a mistake, but Stars antes are the LOL so it's not nearly as much of one as it might be elsewhere. (at 100/200/25 i think it's a definite mistake.) 9)pot odds and stuff, sometimes I fold, sometimes I call. Getting not quite 2:1 it's a tossup. 10)this is fine, i would never c/c the flop, i would usually either lead or c/r 11)i usually push 12)i usually call, TT + overlay = nuts 13)open folding is fine, i usually open to 2k or so but this is a dangerous hand in dangerous position. but as we all know, i'm a donkey who plays too many hands and has lucked his way into repeated tournament wins 14)yeah i iso push, UTG is priced in way too easily here |
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what position is MP2? Is that right next to the cutoff?
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what position is MP2? Is that right next to the cutoff? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. It'd be nice if converters and people started using # off the button. |
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