KK on $3/$6 NL. Your move...

jlkrusty · #1 08-10-2006, 05:08 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($897.31)
BB ($173.77)
UTG ($971.53)
Hero ($946.80)
CO ($624.55)
Button ($845.35)

CO's stats are 33/9/2.1(post flop aggression factor). 149 hands observed.

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, Hero raises to $21, CO calls $21, 1 fold, SB calls $18, 1 fold.

Flop: ($69) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
 SB bets $40, Hero raises to $120, CO calls $120, SB folds.

Turn: ($349) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $150, Hero??? 

(CO has $333.55 behind after his $150 turn bet. Hero covers)

JP OSU · #2 08-10-2006, 05:12 AM

Pretty easy All in IMO, he pretty much always has 77-99 or FD here... What was the thinking behind turn check?

shootaa · #3 08-10-2006, 05:19 AM

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Pretty easy All in IMO, he pretty much always has 77-99 or FD here... What was the thinking behind turn check?

[/ QUOTE ]...unless its 55. either way, i think this is a smaller overpair. push it in.

Big_Jim · #4 08-10-2006, 05:22 AM

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Pretty easy All in IMO, he pretty much always has 77-99 or FD here... What was the thinking behind turn check?

[/ QUOTE ]...unless its 55. either way, i think this is a smaller overpair. push it in.

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You guys really think he cold calls a bet and a raise by the PF raiser with 77?

My gut tells me fold this one. I think he's trying to suck you in with a boat.

Dan BRIGHT · #5 08-10-2006, 05:23 AM

I put him to a decision for all of his chips

hairy · #6 08-10-2006, 06:14 AM

I fold here. Occasionally he will be a donkey calling the flop with a middle pocket pair, but much more often he will have trips or a boat (or yes occasionally a straight and flush draw with a pair on the turn, which has a billion outs and will be hard to avoid paying off if you don't push). This is one of those situations where it's better to just fold even though an occasional donkey scoops a pot from you overplaying his TT or smooth calling a reraise with a big draw on a paired board with a player yet to act. Plus, it's very doubtful you get a call from any hand you're behind when you push.

jlkrusty · #7 08-10-2006, 05:45 AM

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Pretty easy All in IMO, he pretty much always has 77-99 or FD here... What was the thinking behind turn check?

[/ QUOTE ]...unless its 55. either way, i think this is a smaller overpair. push it in.

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You guys really think he cold calls a bet and a raise by the PF raiser with 77?

My gut tells me fold this one. I think he's trying to suck you in with a boat.

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Good read Jim. I went all in, he called and showed 55 (full house, fives over threes). My question to Yves was whether I could have done anything to avoid being stacked. Change earlier play? What do you think?

therockofgibraltar · #8 08-10-2006, 05:45 AM

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Pretty easy All in IMO, he pretty much always has 77-99 or FD here... What was the thinking behind turn check?

[/ QUOTE ]...unless its 55. either way, i think this is a smaller overpair. push it in.

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You guys really think he cold calls a bet and a raise by the PF raiser with 77?

My gut tells me fold this one. I think he's trying to suck you in with a boat.

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My gut also tells me fold this one. I don't know what he has but it hell aint FD or 77-99, lol. AA-QQ?? or a boat.

jlkrusty · #9 08-10-2006, 05:26 AM

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Pretty easy All in IMO, he pretty much always has 77-99 or FD here... What was the thinking behind turn check?

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I made the turn check because almost all players will bet behind on this board no matter what they have. If he has any pocket pair, he is going to raise to try to protect against the flush draws. If he has a flush draw, he almost certainly puts out a decent size bet as a semi bluff (since it appears that I may have been trying to steal on a ragged flop).

If I bet out front on the turn, how much do I bet? If I bet a small amount and he has a flush draw, he gets appropriate odds to call and get to the river. If I bet a large amount, he usually folds his flush draw and sometimes pocket pairs as well. By checking, I believe I get more value out of him almost no matter what he is holding.

Anyhow, that was my thinking... Am I wrong to assume that almost everybody with almost every hand will bet something after I check on the turn? Or, would have it been better to bet something up front to at least get more information?

yvesaint · #10 08-10-2006, 05:29 AM

hand played fine now push. though with reads this can be a fold but its way hard to make.

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