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08-08-2006, 02:11 PM
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this ones up in the air too...
UTG raiser is a TAG, 27/17/35wtsd. CCer is a 55/20, loose and bad but not all that passive postflop.
Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $10/$20 5 players Converter Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, CO calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG caps</font>, CO calls, Hero calls <font color="#aaaaaa">(13.5:1)</font>. Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (12.5SB, 3 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls <font color="#aaaaaa">(14.5:1)</font>. Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.75BB, 3 players) Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font> ... Surf 
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#2
08-08-2006, 02:16 PM
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Re: this ones up in the air too...
You're trying to squeeze out AA?
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#7
08-08-2006, 02:40 PM
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Re: this ones up in the air too...
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[ QUOTE ] You're trying to squeeze out AA? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, and the other QQ. Donk has a wide range here. Surf [/ QUOTE ] I guess I like it. If you're ahead of the UTG player, he'll fold but that's no big deal, and you can probably even value-bet the river against the fish. If UTG folds a better hand, that's huge for you. If UTG cold calls (almost certainly AA), then you can check the river through in position, and it doesn't cost you any more than seeing a showdown would have anyway. I think these upsides are worth the downside of the fish possibly 3-betting you. As to whether I'd fold AA there in UTG's shoes, I probably would but it would depend in part on just how bad the fish was. I also might have led the turn, though, as I think this tends to keep the action more honest.
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#9
08-08-2006, 03:38 PM
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Re: this ones up in the air too...
I'm having a hard time believing UTG has AA or QQ very often here. He should be betting the turn. That being said, I think he's folding a worse hand almost always. I guess the question is: Is he folding for one bet anyways? And, if so, do you have enough of an edge to make the turn c/r for value against the fish? I don't think so. I also don't love a turn call, river lead, which is the best alternative, imo.
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#10
08-08-2006, 03:45 PM
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Re: this ones up in the air too...
I would call the turn. There's a good chance AA won't fold, CO could have a K or possibly 66/88 (remember he's so loose he's probably coldcalling pre with K7o and K3s), plus you'll get at least one more BB and probably 2 out of utg's TT/JJ if you are ahead as well as another bluff out of the fish possibly if has air.
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