Pocket eights multiway agains btn raiser

DanielJ74 · #1 08-02-2006, 07:32 PM

Button is a tight player (sees flop 13% and raises about half of the hands he plays).
Is it correct to call him down? Do I fold the flop? turn? river?

StansPoker (prima) 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero Calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Cutoff folds, button raises, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls

Flop: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Button bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Button calls

Turn: Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero Bets, Button raises, Hero calls

River: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls

Final pot: 12.75BB

topspin · #2 08-02-2006, 07:36 PM

Flop good, fold turn. With those raise numbers, at best you're hoping that he bluff-raised with AK. The vast majority of the time you're drawing to two or less outs.

tyler_cracker · #3 08-02-2006, 07:39 PM

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Flop good, fold turn.

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littlemoe · #4 08-02-2006, 09:07 PM

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So are we betting the turn and river if two blanks come up? What about a ten?

kumarshah · #5 08-02-2006, 09:12 PM

What does the check-raise accomplish here?

DrModern · #6 08-02-2006, 10:22 PM

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Yeah, I agree. F this. I check-fold the flop against this TAG. We are behind a huge percentage of time here.

Eeegah · #7 08-02-2006, 10:32 PM

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With only one paint card, it's reasonably likely that the button is sitting there with AQ, AK, KQ, maybe 99/TT and thinking "Ah, crap...well I'm supposed to c-bet so I'll bet." He bets, and we checkraise with the best hand to blow away the field and make it less likely that a T on the turn or whatever will sink us.

I don't care for it five handed, but HU this is certainly a good move (he'll likely fold or call unprofitably), and it's hardly a bad idea three handed. Four's getting iffy but I might do it, but here I think there's just too many hole cards to dodge.

cold_cash · #8 08-02-2006, 07:39 PM

I can dig the flop play, but you're beat on the turn here practically always.

After you check and he bets the river you're beat even more often.

Ricks · #9 08-02-2006, 08:05 PM

I would prefer to raise 88 when opening from MP. Many others do not. As played, you did a good job of protecting your hand on the flop.

When the Q comes on the turn, you are behind to about 80% of his pf raising range (TT+, AJ+, KQ), you are ahead of only AK. I agree with the other posters. Fold this turn.

Bodizapha · #10 08-02-2006, 08:07 PM

Preflop call is okay, but I'm not a fan of the b/c on the flop. Button is representing strength, probably a high PP, so we have to figure we are beat here. Seeing the flop was a decent move because the pot was big, but I might have considered folding after button's raise also.