5/10 NL-Top two no good?

Hiltonian · #1 07-26-2006, 03:39 PM

I just sat down about 10 hands ago so I don't have any real read on villain, though I noticed he was at 2 of my tables with full stacks and he bet 35 preflop so he can't be too donkish. I think the raise on the flop is standard because I am scared of a ton of turn cards. However, once he 3 bets all in, I just don't see how I can be ahead of his range. The only hand I can see him 3 betting here a good amount of the time that I beat is AK and even then I don't know if he's the kind of person to value it that much. There are no flush draws and T8 is the only straight draw out there too.

One big problem with a fold here is that I really don't like my raise followed by a fold, though I don't see just calling his 61 bet being great either with any T, Q, or A being a pretty bad card for me.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (4 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($980)
SB ($1816.62)
BB ($986.08)
UTG ($885)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG raises to $35, Hero calls $35, 2 folds.

Flop: ($85) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $61, Hero raises to $200, UTG calls $789 (All-In), Hero folds

StupidAcesSigh · #2 07-26-2006, 03:41 PM

He can't do this with KQ, AK, AA, bluff? I would call because the chances he has a set are pretty small and you can beat aces.

Hiltonian · #3 07-26-2006, 03:42 PM

Somehow forgot AA, that is correct.

odawg09090 · #4 07-26-2006, 03:44 PM

I think you should call here. This is mostly because it's a raised pot preflop. If he has a set (99 being most common because you have a King and a Jack) or a straight you still have 4 outs (17%). Most of the time, I think you are ahead here that you must call especially after investing the $200.

AbelM · #5 07-26-2006, 03:49 PM

don't overthink this, just call unless you have a very specific read.

king_of_drafts · #6 07-26-2006, 04:12 PM

I call. Is the preflop call standard?

MDMA · #7 07-26-2006, 04:13 PM

callcallcalclalcalclalcalcla

Hiltonian · #8 07-26-2006, 04:31 PM

Ok I didn't actually fold obviously, i'm not that good.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (4 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($980)
SB ($1816.62)
BB ($986.08)
UTG ($885)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG raises to $35, Hero calls $35, 2 folds.

Flop: ($85) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $61, Hero raises to $200, UTG calls $789 (All-In), Hero calls $650.

Turn: ($1785) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($1785) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $1785

Results in white below: 
UTG has Qd Tc (straight, ace high).
Hero has Ks Jd (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: UTG wins $1785. 

Lets just blame it on variance right? Seriously though I think you would very rarely see a decent player have anything other than AK or AA, maybe K9 here that I actually beat. Though that is probably enough to make it a call.

Frostie · #9 07-26-2006, 04:35 PM

Stuff like this happens all the time. Good call, and he did a good push with the nuts.

ahnuld · #10 07-26-2006, 05:51 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Ok I didn't actually fold obviously, i'm not that bad .

FYP. Folding is terrible, no good player would fold for 100bbs without a read.