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07-15-2006, 03:56 AM
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Tim Hudson
What is up with this guy? How did he all of a sudden become a stink azz pitcher? I thought for sure he would dominate in the NL but he just gets worse and worse. It can't be that the Braves infield defense is that much worse than when Hudson was with the A's.
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07-15-2006, 12:43 PM
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Re: Tim Hudson
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What is up with this guy? How did he all of a sudden become a stink azz pitcher? I thought for sure he would dominate in the NL but he just gets worse and worse. It can't be that the Braves infield defense is that much worse than when Hudson was with the A's. [/ QUOTE ] His control is shot, and he can't strike anyone out to save his life. He's had oblique problems, and won't throw his nasty splitter anymore, so he relies on movement, which he can't seem to control anymore. Every pitch he leaves up gets hammered since he sits in the very low 90s on a good day.
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07-15-2006, 12:45 PM
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Re: Tim Hudson
from the last year in oakland: Ks are up a little, but below league average. Walks are up. Homeruns are up.
Pitchers not striking guys out walk a thin line. Can't give up homers, can't give up walks. You're effective until then. See: Brad Radke, Carlos Silva, Horacio Ramirez, Damian Moss, and hundreds of others.
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07-15-2006, 04:30 PM
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Re: Tim Hudson
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from the last year in oakland: Ks are up a little, but below league average. Walks are up. Homeruns are up. Pitchers not striking guys out walk a thin line. Can't give up homers, can't give up walks. You're effective until then. See: Brad Radke, Carlos Silva, Horacio Ramirez, Damian Moss, and hundreds of others. [/ QUOTE ] all good points, and add to this the pathetic (defensively) left side of the atlanta infield. heavy groundball pitchers need better infield D than this. look how well webb is doing with counsell and hudson behind him.
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07-15-2006, 04:26 PM
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Re: Tim Hudson
his k-rate dropped sharply from '03 to '04 - not sure why....and check out the difference in his k-rate from '99 compared to '04.....very different.....and usually pitchers are fairly consistent with k's throughout their career.....weird...
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07-15-2006, 04:29 PM
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Re: Tim Hudson
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his k-rate dropped sharply from '03 to '04 - not sure why....and check out the difference in his k-rate from '99 compared to '04.....very different.....and usually pitchers are fairly consistent with k's throughout their career.....weird... [/ QUOTE ] pitchers' K rates usually consistently decline throughout their careers. only the really good ones keep it up as tehy get older.
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07-15-2006, 06:03 PM
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Re: Tim Hudson
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pitchers' K rates usually consistently decline throughout their careers. only the really good ones keep it up as tehy get older. [/ QUOTE ] yeah, I agree....though, Hudson's rate dropped by almost half from '99 to '04 which is a little weird....although it makes more sense after reading the posts about the A's encouraging two-seamers, gb's, etc...... I find that interesting because I was always under the impression that the A's have kinda had to skimp in the defense department....and groundball pitchers need a good defense behind them (gb's on average go for hits more than fb's).....maybe Beane's coming around on the importance of defense?..... incidentally, with all the analytical stats available now for pitching and hitting, I'd have to say that the value/analysis/importance of defense is still the thing least understood statistically at this point.....at least to me.....
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07-15-2006, 06:07 PM
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Re: Tim Hudson
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I find that interesting because I was always under the impression that the A's have kinda had to skimp in the defense department....and groundball pitchers need a good defense behind them (gb's on average go for hits more than fb's).....maybe Beane's coming around on the importance of defense?..... [/ QUOTE ] After OBP was undervalued (and isn't now), defense was the next undervalued asset, which Beane acquired in droves. Which explains the Mark Kotsay re-signing, probably.
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#9
07-15-2006, 06:58 PM
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Re: Tim Hudson
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After OBP was undervalued (and isn't now), defense was the next undervalued asset, which Beane acquired in droves. Which explains the Mark Kotsay re-signing, probably. [/ QUOTE ] a good rule of thumb is: if billy beane makes a move you don't understand, he knows something you don't.
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07-15-2006, 04:39 PM
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Re: Tim Hudson
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his k-rate dropped sharply from '03 to '04 - not sure why....and check out the difference in his k-rate from '99 compared to '04.....very different.....and usually pitchers are fairly consistent with k's throughout their career.....weird... [/ QUOTE ] theory: oakland told their pitchers to stop striking guys out and trust their defense. the style stuck.
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