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How big of a prick was I?
I coac my son's 10 and under baseball game. These games are usually umped by teenagers around 14 or 15 and sometimes you have to explain the rules to them. Yesterday was the first game of the palyoffs.
Three is a rule that a runner can steal secong or third on a passed ball. They cannot steal home. I have a runner on second and no outs. The pitcher throws ball four to the batter so i send my runner from second to third. The other coach tells the umpire to send the kid back beacuse he cant run on a ball four (in my opinion the ball is live). The ump sends him back, I go up to the umpire to tell him the ball is live and the other coach gets in my face telling me that i cannot argue with the umpire and his call is final. Nevermind that the umpire allowed my guy to stay at third until the other coach intervened. Anyway, my guy goeds back to second and game goes on. There is another rule that says you cannot start an inning two hours after the game starts. The games are supposed to be 6 innings if you can fit them all in. We are the home team and it is about 1:45 minutes into the game. The ump comes to me and says that since we are ahead and it is unlikely that we will get another inning in that we can decide to call the game. I tell the other coach that it is his decision and he should probably try to get us out in time for the last inning to start. He takes a good five nutes to get hos team on the field. They get us out fairly quickly but the ump calls the game because it is one minute past the timeline. The other coach starts yelling its only a minute after and the game should continue. I ask the ump what his ruling is an d he says game over. I very smugly tell the guy that I wouldn't mind contining but in order to do so I would have to argue with the umpires call which he told me I couldn't do. So was I a prick. Cliff notes: Caoch baseball team. Other coach yells at me for argiung with umpire. It comes back to bite him in the end. Was I a prick? |
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Re: How big of a prick was I?
In the first one, wtf? It's 10 and under. Keep the guy at second, don't be a gay nit.
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Re: How big of a prick was I?
First one: wild pitch on ball 4 = live ball, your runner should be allowed to stay at third.
Second one: Yeah, you're a prick to a degree, but I'd do the same thing in your shoes. |
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Re: How big of a prick was I?
Where does he say the pitch was wild?
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Re: How big of a prick was I?
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Where does he say the pitch was wild? [/ QUOTE ] Was kind of assuming it, otherwise why would he have explained his league's passed ball rule? In any case, it doesn't matter. You can steal on ball 4 whether you are forced or not. If there is a man on 2nd and the batter walks, the runner can steal third if any sort of stealing is allowed. |
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Re: How big of a prick was I?
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[ QUOTE ] Where does he say the pitch was wild? [/ QUOTE ] Was kind of assuming it, otherwise why would he have explained his league's passed ball rule? In any case, it doesn't matter. You can steal on ball 4 whether you are forced or not. If there is a man on 2nd and the batter walks, the runner can steal third if any sort of stealing is allowed. [/ QUOTE ] A lot of leagues for young kids consider a properly fielded ball 4 to be dead for the purposes of stealing. |
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Re: How big of a prick was I?
Both you and the other coach were disrespecting the game and being a terrible example to the children. Grow up and act like the role model you're supposed to be.
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Re: How big of a prick was I?
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Both you and the other coach were disrespecting the game and being a terrible example to the children. Grow up and act like the role model you're supposed to be. [/ QUOTE ] As someone who has both coached at that age level and umpired for that age level, nothing about what happened seems terribly out of line to me. Arguing incorrect calls = standard, even at that level. Arguing with an ump in little leagues usually isn't the kind of stuff you see in the majors with kicking dirt and finger pointing and yelling and whatnot. Unless it escalated to that level, there's really nothing wrong with going out there to dispute a call as long as you keep it civil. |
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Re: How big of a prick was I?
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[ QUOTE ] Both you and the other coach were disrespecting the game and being a terrible example to the children. Grow up and act like the role model you're supposed to be. [/ QUOTE ] As someone who has both coached at that age level and umpired for that age level, nothing about what happened seems terribly out of line to me. Arguing incorrect calls = standard, even at that level. Arguing with an ump in little leagues usually isn't the kind of stuff you see in the majors with kicking dirt and finger pointing and yelling and whatnot. Unless it escalated to that level, there's really nothing wrong with going out there to dispute a call as long as you keep it civil. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. As long as it was a reasonably-toned discussion there's nothing wrong with it. Billy Martin-style arguing is obviously inappropriate, but clarifying incorrect rulings is commonplace. |
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Re: How big of a prick was I?
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[ QUOTE ] Both you and the other coach were disrespecting the game and being a terrible example to the children. Grow up and act like the role model you're supposed to be. [/ QUOTE ] As someone who has both coached at that age level and umpired for that age level, nothing about what happened seems terribly out of line to me. Arguing incorrect calls = standard, even at that level. Arguing with an ump in little leagues usually isn't the kind of stuff you see in the majors with kicking dirt and finger pointing and yelling and whatnot. Unless it escalated to that level, there's really nothing wrong with going out there to dispute a call as long as you keep it civil. [/ QUOTE ] Arguing incorrect calls is standard because it's what dads do, but it can't be so cut and dry in a 10U league. This is like the first year that stealing is allowed. Expecting the catcher (who, at this age, is the worst and fattest player on the team) to have any shot at throwing the guy out, even on a clean pitch, is expecting too much imo. |
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