114 KK vs very good player

[samsonh]

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UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)
Button (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, CO calls t20, <font color="red">Button raises to t100</font>, <font color="red">Hero ???</font>


Villain is Bufo523. How do I get the most out of this hand? Seems to me either reraise to 300, flat call, or push. I definitely did the worst action at the time and immediatly regretted it. Calling may bring some limpers with us which I dislike. Reraising puts us in a tough spot where he pushes AA and folds most worse hands.

[AMT]

im not afraid to reraise and play a big pot with KK here vs most any villain...i make it 300

[suzzer99]

Edit: for some reason I thought you were in MP here. Which if you smoothcall puts the odds of getting more callers high, and getting reraised low. Now I think a reraise to 350 may be in order - high enough to make give him bad odds to call for set value. Hoping to get some donks to come along and bufo fold. If he doesn't go away you're probably screwed. But you still have to call because folding KK makes you very exploitable. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]



Well yeah. But the point is villain and hero both know each other as very solid TAG 2p2ers. Any raise is likely to fold out everything except AA. QQ is in the maybe range. I'm too lazy to reason it all out again, so here's our IM about the hand (IM handles changed):

suzzer99 (11:45:33 PM): against him i might call
suzzer99 (11:45:46 PM): or make it 300 if he thinks you might be capable of making a play
suzzer99 (11:46:13 PM): but if you know he's folding everything except AA to a push or 300 raise
suzzer99 (11:46:15 PM): id call
suzzer99 (11:46:37 PM): so i think call
suzzer99 (11:46:54 PM): but the next time i have garbage im min-rerasing him
suzzer99 (11:47:01 PM): just to see what happens

samnsonh (11:47:11 PM): k, ive been struggling in these type situations getting value out

suzzer99 (11:47:24 PM): of course raise against anyone but this guy
suzzer99 (11:48:03 PM): if you call it's the only thing that disguises your hand with him

samnsonh (11:48:25 PM): would he call a push with qq

suzzer99 (11:48:36 PM): not sure
suzzer99 (11:48:44 PM): but i wouldn't put the odds at 100%
suzzer99 (11:48:54 PM): which means 100% AA calls
suzzer99 (11:49:00 PM): and something less than 100% QQ calls
suzzer99 (11:49:07 PM): yucky
suzzer99 (11:49:22 PM): but calling is ugly if 3 more people limp

samnsonh (11:49:28 PM): only bad ting about callinng
samnsonh (11:49:33 PM): is that the limpers come too

suzzer99 (11:49:32 PM): but it's great if someone reraises
suzzer99 (11:49:56 PM): if someone reraises
suzzer99 (11:49:58 PM): and villain pushes
suzzer99 (11:50:01 PM): i still call

[curtains]

Ehhh Id just reraise...but I gotta have more of a feel for who the player is. But Id almost always raise to like 350...sometimes go allin. Almost never call.

[suzzer99]

I would say that samnsonh knows bufo's range is AK, JJ+, possibly AQ,TT. Which means bufo knows that samsonh's reraising range here is AA/KK, and possibly QQ but not nearly as likely.

[Paul B.]

AWL EEN

[KampnagelKid]

If the ranges are true, and bufo is only pushing AA/KK and folding all his other hands from his original range... I am pretty sure reraising to 350 is profitable with any 2.

What does that mean? No idea. But some clever posters wrote some time ago, that you shouldn't play a hand like KK like 72 in most cases (of course you should in a push-any-2-scenario).

[Myst]

If he knows you to be a solid TAG, then you definitely need to be raising a lot more hands that are worst than KK to get action.

Adapt.

[suzzer99]

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If he knows you to be a solid TAG, then you definitely need to be raising a lot more hands that are worst than KK to get action.

Adapt.

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I'm sure he does in general, just not facing a raise from this opponent.

[Whisper]

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Well yeah. But the point is villain and hero both know each other as very solid TAG 2p2ers. Any raise is likely to fold out everything except AA.

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If this is the case why wouldnt you just re-raise him all the time?