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Old 01-17-2006, 07:04 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default MLG hand #1: AT

inspired by the curtains stt hands, i pestered mlg into letting me look at one of his hh's and post some interesting hands. (note: do not pester mlg about hh's)

here's the first one. these are all from a PS 150+12. no reads.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO (t6855)
Button (t1790)
SB (t6605)
BB (t11130)
Hero (t6737)
UTG+1 (t2450)
MP1 (t785)
MP2 (t2643)
MP3 (t6645)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, SB calls t500, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t1400) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t1000</font>, hero?
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Old 01-17-2006, 07:07 PM
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Default Re: MLG hand #1: AT

Eeeep. That is a very tough spot. I am probably folding this being scared of an overpair. But a very good case could be made for reraising here as well. I am torn! I think it is sort of read based here.
~Justin
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Old 01-17-2006, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: MLG hand #1: AT

Push. Any raise less than all in looks too fishy, and we'd be comitted anyway. This may look like a draw or a ballsy AK, and will get calls from a lot of mid pairs I think. I also may call and reevaluate turn.

BTW Jurollo, in the stars 150 this is hardly ever an overpair.
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Old 01-17-2006, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: MLG hand #1: AT

I would move all in. He called pre-flop and may be making a cont. bet with mid-pair. Any raise leaves you with less than 4k in chips, so might as well go in and leave him in a tougher spot than you were in.
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Old 01-17-2006, 07:18 PM
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Default Re: MLG hand #1: AT

Push. This reversal screams ten weaker kicker. Any overpair is a checkraise or a straight raise preflop.
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Old 01-17-2006, 07:42 PM
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Default Re: MLG hand #1: AT

Push. Only one, maybe two overpairs make this bet vs. a bunch of 99-22 hands. Sets don't value bet that board. If you get called, it's usually by some combo draw (meh) or a weaker ten (sweet) but you are rarely far enough behind for that to be bad.

Also, JJ does fold once in a while.
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Old 01-18-2006, 11:40 AM
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Default Re: MLG hand #1: AT

[ QUOTE ]
Eeeep. That is a very tough spot. I am probably folding this being scared of an overpair. But a very good case could be made for reraising here as well. I am torn! I think it is sort of read based here.
~Justin

[/ QUOTE ]

You hit your best card, and you want to fold?
I don't think so!

It's a raise.
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Old 01-17-2006, 07:17 PM
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Default Re: MLG hand #1: AT

First off, I raise a little less PF, but that's just me. I'm a big fan of raising 2.5xBB in EP for pot-size-control reasons, but obviously raising 3xBB is just fine. But I guess that's not the point of this thread.

OK, so what is SBs range here? Most players would not bet a set here opting instead for the flop CR. However, since the board is very coordinated, it is not inconceivable that SB is betting a set.

Without a read, it is tough to say whether or not SB would have called the PF raise OOP with JT-KT, let alone led with it on the flop.

Lastly, it seems unlikely that SB would smoothcall PF with JJ-AA. And if he did, he most likely would have gone for the CR on the flop.

OK, so folding is not an option here, so we're down to calling, raising less than all-in, or raising all-in. I'm pretty sure pushing all in isn't so great as this would merely get all hands you beat to fold and get any hand that beats you to call. I also don't like smooth calling as it gives SB a chance to catch one of many scarecards on the turn.

Therefore, I like a raise to about 2500 here both for informational purposes and for value. Problem is is that this will lay Villain about 5:1 on his call, more than sufficient odds to see one more card of he has a flush draw or straight draw. The tough question is whether or not Hero calls a SB push, and I think the answer is yes.
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Old 01-17-2006, 07:41 PM
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Default Re: MLG hand #1: AT

Without any specific reads, I'm going to raise probably push. Yes, you blow out 88-99 type hands most of the time, but there are any number of turn cards that will either kill your action(scare the mid pairs), or beat you(KQ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] etc).

If we could rule out big draws, I suppose you could call and re-eval the turn, but I dont think you can do that here.
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Old 01-17-2006, 10:32 PM
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Default Re: MLG hand #1: AT

Raising is obvious, IMO, the only question is whether it's all-in or something like T3,000-3,500, which leaves you with &lt;T3,000 behind, which is obviously moving in on any turn.

Doesn't matter much.
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