Bad beat or was I too aggressive? Party Poker $0.25/0.10 Pot Limit O8

wire · #1 06-03-2006, 05:09 AM

I don't know how to use the converter yet. Anyway, the villain raised the pot to $1.60 preflop. Five people called including me.

Dealt to me: [3h 5s Ad 4h]

Flop: [Ac Tc 2h]

It is checked to the villain. He bets $9.60. I go all-in with $25.18. It is folded around to the villain. He goes all-in too. We both have the same stack size, around 25 bucks.

Turn: [Ks]
River: [Kc]

Villain shows: [2s Ah 2c Qc] a full house, twos full of kings

I show: [3h 5s Ad 4h] two pairs, aces and kings

Result: Villain wins $50.65 from the main pot.

I couldn't believe he called me with bottom set, a weak flush draw, and no low draw.

vingte · #2 06-03-2006, 08:51 AM

It was just a coin flip. I'm not a pro, but I play it the same way : the pot is too big to just call on the flop

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http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1764315
pokenum -o8 3h 5s ad 4h - 2s ah 2c qc -- ac tc 2h
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing Ac Tc 2h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
5s Ad 4h 3h 177 177 643 0 630 0 0 0.496
2s Qc 2c Ah 184 643 177 0 0 0 0 0.504

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Confiscator · #3 06-03-2006, 12:55 PM

Preflop: You dont have any real hi potential. All you can hope for is to get a really lo flop. So essentailly you playing for lo only. Which is known to be bad. You have to play to scoop.
Your villain has either A2 or AA: in both cases you are behind. Why confront an apriori better hand?
Four other people in the hand - which usually means a lot of lo cards are already out, thus decreasing your chance for lo flop.
Four other people in the hand - this makes your chances to scop even less. Somebody will definetely catch something.
Finally, if you do get your lo flop you still (most probably) will have to draw. With $9+ in the pot (>1/3 your stack) and 6 people in the hand (somebody will definetely catch) you'd be probably all-in on the flop or turn.
Draw and all-in are not good friends. Why risk?

So most probably I would not call preflop 6BB bet with your A345 in PLO8 (that you played). In limit O8, one raise, yes I would call.

On the flop: well, you got your lo flop, but, as it was clear preflop, you still have to draw and your draw will be only for lo.
Your villain might already have 2 pair (with A2) or set (with AA) for hi. Your best hope is to get your lo and split the pot.
Why risk your stack to split = to win nothing? No reason.
My play (if I were on this flop with your cards) is to fold.

Pnigro · #4 06-03-2006, 01:10 PM

Considering he had trips + flush draw, you had 6 outs for scooping so yeah, I think you went too aggresive here.

You don't want to push other people out of the pot when you have uncounterfeitable wheel draw and nothing else. So I think the best move here is the call. Also, it's probable he will chicken out with the K on the turn so there's a possibility of a free river also.

Burdzthewurd · #5 06-03-2006, 01:39 PM

Talk about results-oriented city here..don't post Villain's hand until the end next time.

Pnigro · #6 06-03-2006, 01:42 PM

hahaha oops!

Fiasco · #7 06-14-2006, 02:23 AM

thats not what a priori means

booger · #8 06-14-2006, 03:11 AM

On the flop: well, you got your lo flop, but, as it was clear preflop, you still have to draw and your draw will be only for lo.
Your villain might already have 2 pair (with A2) or set (with AA) for hi. Your best hope is to get your lo and split the pot.
Why risk your stack to split = to win nothing? No reason.
My play (if I were on this flop with your cards) is to fold.
His only draw is nut low and a wheel to scoop Confiscator. I think you played the hand fine as it should all go in. He's lucky his bottom set held up.

Phil153 · #9 06-14-2006, 04:12 AM

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Preflop: You dont have any real hi potential. All you can hope for is to get a really lo flop. So essentailly you playing for lo only. Which is known to be bad. You have to play to scoop.

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This is horribly and tragically misguided.

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On the flop: well, you got your lo flop, but, as it was clear preflop, you still have to draw and your draw will be only for lo.
Your villain might already have 2 pair (with A2) or set (with AA) for hi.

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Run some twodimes numbers.

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Your best hope is to get your lo and split the pot.

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hah?

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Why risk your stack to split = to win nothing? No reason.
My play (if I were on this flop with your cards) is to fold.

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Run some twodimes numbers.

Golem47 · #10 06-13-2006, 10:41 PM

The raiser pre flop hit this flop and you were probably drawing to half the pot anyway so I would have called to try to keep people in the hand and my half would be bigger. On the flop you were beat by AA,A2, AK which are raising hands. Too aggressive for my taste but I'm not much of a PL player but I do play the limits you're writing about.