Preflop decisions... I hate easily dominated offsuit cards in big pots

[Stoo_Pot]

Hero is in late middle position with KJo on a table of fish

1) limp, limp, Hero?
2) limp, limp, limp, Hero?

3)What about with KJs?

4)Do you play QJo the same as KJo in these situations?

5) Do you ever complete in the SB with hands like A9o-A2o? What conditions would you do this and under what conditions would you raise these hands in the SB?

6) What do you do with JTo in the SB after a loose player open limps from button?

7) Do you raise AQo from the SB or BB when there has been a ton of limpers?

8) Same as 7 but AJo

9) Same as 7 but AQs/KQs/AJs

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[bozlax]

tl;dr, so...

Posting blind: so don't play them. I spent a looong time auto-mucking QJo and KJo preflop, from any position, because I didn't know how to play them. You'll learn.

[Stoo_Pot]

Is it that long a post?

Yeh I have been automucking in FR but they seem juicier to me in the 6max games I've been playing... maybe it's because the players are looser. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing with these hands though (?) i.e. It's tough raising to limit the field, so can I raise for value if I expect a multiway pot? tough...

QJo is my least favourite hand, it just looks ugly to me. To be dominated by KJo is pretty lame. It's like getting your lunch money stolen by the school geek.

[Stoo_Pot]

If you can't be bothered to answer all those q's, then just answer this one

KJo in later middle position - after 1 limper it might be better to raise > call/fold but after 5 limpers, is fold > raise/call?

[Buckmulligan]

1) raise or call
I just thnk that kj is underrated versus limping hands, so long as you can play third street well enough to realize when to check behind, I like a raise.
2) samish. I'll raise more often now
3)easy raise anywhere for me.
4) I wouldn't play qj nearly as aggressively. I would never aise this hand with two previous limpers. I do, however, play Qjs the same way I play kjs.
5)just depends. I probably complete a lot less with these hands than I should. They just don't make big winners but tend to make big losers.
6) 3 bet a TAG fold everything else.
7) ya
8) ya
9)ya

[bozlax]

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If you can't be bothered to answer all those q's, then just answer this one

KJo in later middle position - after 1 limper it might be better to raise > call/fold but after 5 limpers, is fold > raise/call?

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Depends on what you think of the limpers, especially postflop, but I'm not opposed to a fold against unknowns.

[Stoo_Pot]

The situations I'm in are that the limpers are awfully loose, call alot postflop with top or middle pair, passive.

[Magellan]

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Hero is in late middle position with KJo on a table of fish

1) limp, limp, Hero?
2) limp, limp, limp, Hero?

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You gotta be open raising these in MP--> at fishy tables IMO.

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3)What about with KJs?

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This is an easy open raise anywhere but particularly from MP-->, and after limpers.

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4)Do you play QJo the same as KJo in these situations?

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I would sometimes open raise QJo in LP, and will even open limp in MP depending on who is acting after me

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5) Do you ever complete in the SB with hands like A9o-A2o? What conditions would you do this and under what conditions would you raise these hands in the SB?

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I basically never complete offsuit As in SB, but occasionally steal with A7+.

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6) What do you do with JTo in the SB after a loose player open limps from button?

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If someone is open limping from the button, that is a player I don't mind playing JTo against OOP, complete it.

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7) Do you raise AQo from the SB or BB when there has been a ton of limpers?

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Yep, unless the table has been playing real tight.

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8) Same as 7 but AJo

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Tend to complete/check a fair bit, but I'll raise it up from time to time.

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9) Same as 7 but AQs/KQs/AJs

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Hell yeah! These are nice multiway hands dude, even OOP.

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[Rednax]

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Hero is in late middle position with KJo on a table of fish

1) limp, limp, Hero?
2) limp, limp, limp, Hero?
3)What about with KJs?

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I'll usually call, if the table and the players behind me aren't too aggressive. With at least two limpers already you're getting decent odds; just need to not spew post flop. Yes, you could be dominated by a KQ or AJ but some of them will raise, and there will be people with QJ and JT and KT out there too. Take their money.

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4)Do you play QJo the same as KJo in these situations?

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Probably fold this.

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5) Do you ever complete in the SB with hands like A9o-A2o? What conditions would you do this and under what conditions would you raise these hands in the SB?

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Often. It's only 1/2 of a small bet, giving good odds if no one has raised PF. Not so fond of A6, A7. This would be at a generally passive table where I'm not expecting all sorts of insane postflop action.
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6) What do you do with JTo in the SB after a loose player open limps from button?

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Again, I'll often call, unless BB is awfully aggressive and likely to want to punish limper. But in a "friendly" game, 1/2 small bet seems worth it.
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7) Do you raise AQo from the SB or BB when there has been a ton of limpers?

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I'm more likely to do it with a ton of limpers since you're going to be paid so much better if you hit your 1 out of 3 chnace. It will be tough to play OOP if you don't hit, but with 5 or 6 limpers you're getting great odds just for an A or Q and you may very well get a worse A or Q to call you to showdown, or possibly even raise.
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8) Same as 7 but AJo

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I'm probably just calling here.
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9) Same as 7 but AQs/KQs/AJs

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The AQs I'm raising, the others I'm likely to just complete with.

[marchron]

Hero is in late middle position with KJo on a table of fish

1) limp, limp, Hero?
2) limp, limp, limp, Hero?

I consider three-handed the breakeven point between multiway and not-multiway. So in 1) I raise to force out the rest of the field, and in 2) I limp.


3)What about with KJs?

The exact opposite. With a good multiway hand like KJs I want to encourage more limpers if there are only two in thus far, and raise for value with 3+ limpers.


4)Do you play QJo the same as KJo in these situations?

No. KJ >> QJ. I fold with two limpers and limp with 3+.


5) Do you ever complete in the SB with hands like A9o-A2o? What conditions would you do this and under what conditions would you raise these hands in the SB?

I would complete A9 or A8 no matter how many limpers. I would complete A7 or lower with only one, perhaps two limpers, otherwise I muck it.

I would only raise these hands from the SB if I want to isolate ONE terrible player who open-limped from LP.

***Caveat to all of the above: if one of the players in the pot is the kind of doofus who thinks "AK is just a drawing hand" and won't raise preflop with big aces, then I'm turbo-mucking in all instances unless he's super-loose.


6) What do you do with JTo in the SB after a loose player open limps from button?

Raise.


7) Do you raise AQo from the SB or BB when there has been a ton of limpers?

Yes.


8) Same as 7 but AJo

No.


9) Same as 7 but AQs/KQs/AJs

Insta-raise. Now we have a badass multiway hand in a multiway pot. Super-value there.