I hope to God this is standard - AQo

[Haupt_234]

Villan is 26/7/0.67 over a mere 30 hands. I haven't seen him do much of anything.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 4.20 BB

Standard.... right? And I am calling (or betting when checked to) a river ace, even if it's a spade.

Haupt_234

[TommyChong]

I would call the river. Many players, even passive ones, will bet in this situation. You showed weakness on the turn and he bet the river. I'm thinking you got too freaked out by the third [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] falling. This guy just called from the BB and called a flop bet, he may very well have nothing or a small pair. The K is certainly possible but I still think you are good 1 in 4 here. I don't think you can raise here but I don't think you can fold either.

[Entity]

I'd be inclined to bet the turn. Given that you didn't, I'd call the river.

[Haupt_234]

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I'd be inclined to bet the turn. Given that you didn't, I'd call the river.

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Are you betting the turn all of the time here? And you would you still bet if the board were the same but rainbow against this passive opponent?

If your answers go yes/yes, then I suck... [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Haupt_234

[tsrcess]

maybe, it's wrong, but, i definately call this river. i hate betting on the turn in these situations 'cause i fear i will be check raised with a pair of ks or nothing. lots of players will bet the river if you show weakness on the turn. a rule of thumb in those situations is to call the river Ace high if the board is not too threatening. here, the board is threatening, but, this is not an Ace high call either. qs, top kicker is a call i'll make forever in this type of situation...(maybe not forever, maybe i'll improve to the point where i realize it's not a good call-but, for now, it looks good...)

[Opteron]

If the pot was zero dollar before he bet then you might be right folding. Say there is a 50% chance he has K or flush, when you call you will lose 4$ half the time and win 4$ plus the rest of the pot half the time.
If you fold, you will save 4$ half the time and lose 4$ plus the rest of the pot half the time.

Witch is best? I think there is a big chanse you are weak/tight and that is not good.

[AELangford]

IMO, if he has a king he may as well CR the flop to get cheap info about you. He'd bet out with a set in case you had a flush draw, so that leaves us with a flush or not a flush. I call at 4-1 to find out.

[Entity]

There are so many draws that he can weakly check-call on the flop, especially if you're willing to check behind on the turn and fold the river, that you absolutely need to bet this turn. He's passive enough that you can fold to a checkraise as it'll be a good Kx (KQ+ or 7x more often than not). He could easily have spades, QJ, QT, as well as hands that beat you but won't checkraise (9x, weak Kx hands). The play here is to bet, fold to a checkraise, and check behind the river UI. If the Q falls after you bet the turn and he checks, I'd bet for value intending to fold to a raise again.

So yeah, this hand definitely isn't standard.

Rob

[ErrantNight]

The flop being draw-heavy is what makes the turn bet correct, right? Or is it not worth even being concerned about the chance of being folded out of a hand we have outs in (if we're c/r'd on the turn)?

[InternetJunky]

Why the check on the turn? That turn check opens the door for your opponent to semi-bluff the river with 9x or pocket pair.