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05-22-2006, 10:39 AM
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Heads up unlimited raising on the river
Yesterday I was playing $4/8 at Foxwoods. I raise with AJo on the button, and there were 3 or more callers. Flop comes AQx. It's checked to me and I bet, and I get 2 callers. Turn is a K. Checked to me and I bet, and I get 1 caller.
River is a 10, giving me the nut one-card straight. The board is not paired, and there isn't 3 to a flush on board, so I have the nuts. Checked to me, and I bet. The other player check-raises. I 3-bet. He 4-bets. Someone at my side of the table says "ok, chop the pot already." I figure it's a chopped pot, so I call. My opponent proudly shows TT, for a set of tens on the river. Now, of course, the guys on my side of the table say I should have kept raising... What do you think? I definitely should have at least 5-bet. -Tom 
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#2
05-22-2006, 10:50 AM
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Re: Heads up unlimited raising on the river
You should have continued to raise until you were out of chips. This was a 4/8 game, the 4-bet narrowed his range down to any two cards not in your hand or the board.
I had a similar thing happen to me once with a nut straight in a 3/6 game. The guy kept re-raising his whole $100+ stack and shows down a middle pair. He said afterward he was trying to bluff me out... bluff me out of a 30+ bb pot in a limit game. If only I could trick these guys into playing 10/20 with me.
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#3
05-23-2006, 01:44 AM
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Re: Heads up unlimited raising on the river
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You should have continued to raise until you were out of chips. This was a 4/8 game, the 4-bet narrowed his range down to any two cards not in your hand or the board. I had a similar thing happen to me once with a nut straight in a 3/6 game. The guy kept re-raising his whole $100+ stack and shows down a middle pair. He said afterward he was trying to bluff me out... bluff me out of a 30+ bb pot in a limit game. If only I could trick these guys into playing 10/20 with me. [/ QUOTE ] gf got seventeen big bets in (maybe it was fourteen, old poker stories grow like fish stories) on the turn in 15/30 with nut straight and no flush redraw. Her straight holds up to bottom straight. Weird thing was, I always thought the guy was a nit who never gave action. ~ Rick
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#4
05-22-2006, 10:55 AM
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Re: Heads up unlimited raising on the river
You shoulda twenty-bet it if your opponent let it go that far. And you shoulda kicked the "chop the pot already" guy in the gnads to silence him--it's harder to table talk when you're wallowing on the ground puking in agony.
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#5
05-22-2006, 11:05 AM
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Re: Heads up unlimited raising on the river
I saw this exact situation happen at the Taj last year in a 5/10 game. AK for broadway against 99 for the ass end. The difference was that it was the DEALER that made the "you guys have the same hand comment" so the AK stoped raising at 5 bets. Dealer deserved 40 lashes for that one... Player deserved 10 for listening to him.
BTW, the 99 guy had never played before. I had spent the last 30 minutes teaching him how to bet in limit. He was donating hundreds to that 5/10 game. How you can stop raising the newbie is beyond me.
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#6
05-22-2006, 12:45 PM
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Re: Heads up unlimited raising on the river
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The difference was that it was the DEALER that made the "you guys have the same hand comment" so the AK stoped raising at 5 bets. Dealer deserved 40 lashes for that one... Player deserved 10 for listening to him. [/ QUOTE ] If this ever happens, is it appropriate to call the floor? I think it's a breach of ettiquite (if not the rules) for a player who is not in the pot to comment about the hand. For the dealer to do so is inexcusable. Not that the floor could do anything, but this dealer deserves something.
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#7
05-22-2006, 03:48 PM
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Re: Heads up unlimited raising on the river
If you have the stone-cold nuts, never stop raising. I'd much rather piss off the table by making them wait through it than give up the extra bets on the rare occasions that the other guy in the pot doesn't have the nuts.
Some places/dealers are fairly lax with the "you wanna just go all-in?" question in this sort of situation, especially if it looks like that's going to be the conclusion anyway. Sometimes that questions breaks the reraiser-without-the-nuts out of their stupidity though.
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#8
05-22-2006, 04:20 PM
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Re: Heads up unlimited raising on the river
Actually all you guys that said always go down to the felt no matter what are wrong.
If it's obvious that you and your opponent have the same hand, and there isn't a cap on rake, then the correct play is to call once you have realized that it will be a chop. Of course, if there isn't a rake or it is already capped, THEN you should go down to the felt.
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#9
05-22-2006, 04:43 PM
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Re: Heads up unlimited raising on the river
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You shoulda twenty-bet it if your opponent let it go that far. And you shoulda kicked the "chop the pot already" guy in the gnads to silence him--it's harder to table talk when you're wallowing on the ground puking in agony. [/ QUOTE ]
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#10
05-22-2006, 11:30 PM
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Re: Heads up unlimited raising on the river
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You shoulda twenty-bet it if your opponent let it go that far. And you shoulda kicked the "chop the pot already" guy in the gnads to silence him [/ QUOTE ]
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