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Top pair in a small pot
Typical Friday night Party game. 4-5 to most flops. Villian is 23/14/2.46.
Pre flop: Hero open limps JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] utg, mp1 limps and bb checks. Flop(3 players 3.5sb): 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] bb bets, hero raises, mp1 folds, bb 3-bets, hero????? Should hero have called, folded or raised the flop? Given what he did what is his plan for the rest of the hand? This was a hand posted in the ss forum that didn't get much discussion that i thought was interesting. I will share my thoughts later. |
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Re: Top pair in a small pot
Friday night, from the BB..... he is as likely to have an odd 3 or 7 as a set or flush draw - cap it and see if he comes out betting after the turn. If you don't he will bet again whatever and you can't tell if it is because he saw weakness.
If the table is this loose then I would probably limp UTG with 10Js as a raise later gives me info and I am OK with multiway action pre flop. At a tighter table I might raise pre flop as a pre flop raise UTG can take down the blinds and a scary flop can give you the pot. Friday night not a hope of either. (PS most of my losses are at the weekend!) |
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Re: Top pair in a small pot
What reads do you have on the BB? Has he shown down many hands? From the BB i think he's having a stab at a ragedy flop, perhaps he has T or 7 with a weaker kicker. Cap the flop and see what he does on the turn, I dont think he comes out betting if he's flopped a monster there but, just in case, the cap lets him know that 1. u have a hand ur going to commit to and 2. if he has a monster he's betting the turn regardless cus he's getting action... if so, ur probably behind. call down depending on the turn and river if u read him LAG?
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Re: Top pair in a small pot
Hero should call the flop and probably raise a blank turn.
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Re: Top pair in a small pot
In a small pot, I don't mind calling the first flop bet and seeing if anything interesting unfolds.
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Re: Top pair in a small pot
Eh, you're getting 8:1 and you maybe have 5 outs. I'd fold it. Maybe call just to not look weak and hope to catch on the turn. I can't imagine he's 3-betting a FD here unless he's got 7x[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] so I'm assuming you're behind a good amount of the time.
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Re: Top pair in a small pot
[ QUOTE ]
Eh, you're getting 8:1 and you maybe have 5 outs. I'd fold it. Maybe call just to not look weak and hope to catch on the turn. I can't imagine he's 3-betting a FD here unless he's got 7x[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] so I'm assuming you're behind a good amount of the time. [/ QUOTE ] interesting post. but i don't get why he's getting 8:1. can anyone explain. maybe i'm a little bit confused right now... |
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Re: Top pair in a small pot
I would definitely not raise here. Even a call feels like pushing a marginal edge to me.
BB could have 2 pair, a ten with higher kicker or a pair and a strong flush draw. He might even have a very weks backdoor straight draw to go with the flush draw. Even a "blank" on the turn could give him a valid GSSD to go with his FD. Looking at our holdings, if we're ahead we're not far ahead, if we're behind, we're probably in a bad condition. The pot has a fair size and it'll probably end up being 8+ big bets, so calling is an option. What I don't like, though, is that the dead money is so little. We really need a fair chance to win this one. |
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Re: Top pair in a small pot
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but i don't get why he's getting 8:1. can anyone explain. maybe i'm a little bit confused right now... [/ QUOTE ] There are 3.5 small bets carried over from preflop (2 limps + SB + BB). Add the 2 bets from hero's raise and 3 bets from BB's 3-bet = 8.5 small bets. Hero must pay (at least) one more bet to see the turn. Hence, 8.5:1 (I usually drop half bets, so 8:1) |
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Re: Top pair in a small pot
*grunch*
I'd be very interested in the responses here as the big blind after a pre-flop limp is a big unknown quantity - which is probably why I try to go as aggressive as possible pre-flop to weed 'em out [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] In this case, I would call the flop bet rather than raise but I'm nore sure about the play on the turn if he bets into me and I'm still uimproved with top pair - call him down? In this example, depending on the read, I would really have to put the villian on a 2-pair - in which case it may make sense to fold to a turn bet - especially given the pot siz |
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