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Old 05-11-2006, 01:29 PM
Ditch Digger Ditch Digger is offline
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Default 109s AK vs tighty and loosy

SB was pretty tight from the 60 or so hands I had on him. BB would play any 2 cards from any position. If SB just pushes it's a fairly easy call but these crappy reraises always give me trouble.

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UTG (t970)
UTG+1 (t3160)
MP1 (t4520)
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CO (t1470)
Button (t1400)
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Preflop: Hero is in MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t250</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to t675</font>, BB calls t625, Hero ?
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Old 05-11-2006, 01:49 PM
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Default Re: 109s AK vs tighty and loosy

I'm seeing a flop and going broke if I improve. I have position and I'm closing action getting 4-1. Also, I can fold post flop and still be healthy enough to have some FE.
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Old 05-11-2006, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: 109s AK vs tighty and loosy

I'd call and re-evaluate on the flop.
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Old 05-11-2006, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: 109s AK vs tighty and loosy

Is SB tight enough such that you can narrow his hands down to AA/KK, or can his stack-committing tiny re-raise mean QQ/JJ/AK as well? I think if it's a good tight SNG player, you should fold AK preflop here.
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Old 05-11-2006, 02:05 PM
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Is SB tight enough such that you can narrow his hands down to AA/KK, or can his stack-committing tiny re-raise mean QQ/JJ/AK as well? I think if it's a good tight SNG player, you should fold AK preflop here.

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Well, of course fold if your read is KK+. But if he's just some random dude I'd expect TT+ AQ+ even if he has been tight so far, because it's L3 and you are raising from MP2.
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Old 05-11-2006, 01:55 PM
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If BBs a maniac then you have a real nice overlay. Shove.
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Old 05-11-2006, 02:00 PM
IWEARGOGGLES IWEARGOGGLES is offline
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I think calling here is pretty awful. More than 25% of your stack to see a flop?
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Old 05-11-2006, 02:07 PM
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1700 in the pot and 425 to call, leaving the caller with 16 BBs. Folding is wrong (without BB in the pot it would be a fold with just the tightie in the pot), and it is too early to shove, IMO.
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Old 05-11-2006, 02:09 PM
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1700 in the pot and 425 to call, leaving the caller with 16 BBs. Folding is wrong (without BB in the pot it would be a fold with just the tightie in the pot), and it is too early to shove, IMO.

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1.) It is never too early to shove if your edge is large enough
2.) AK wants to see all 5 cards
3.) You have no headroom for postflop play
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Old 05-11-2006, 02:12 PM
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Default Re: 109s AK vs tighty and loosy

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1700 in the pot and 425 to call, leaving the caller with 16 BBs. Folding is wrong (without BB in the pot it would be a fold with just the tightie in the pot), and it is too early to shove, IMO.

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1.) It is never too early to shove if your edge is large enough
2.) AK wants to see all 5 cards
3.) You have no headroom for postflop play

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Dood, look at SB's play. He raises 40% of his stack preflop where if he wanted to maximize fold equity (with a hand like TT or JJ or AQ or even AK), he would push.

I really think that if he's a good 2+2ish sort of player, he has AA/KK. The overlay from SB doesn't really matter if we can narrow down SB's range this significantly.

I'm all about picking up dead chips from idiots and the T600 is indeed very compelling, but why on earth didn't SB just push?
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