Quick checkup 5/10 6-max

[Fianchetto]

Party 5/10 NL 6-max

Hand #1

Effective stack is $1200.

Hijack raises to $35, CO makes it $128, folded to me in the SB w/ A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], I make it $333. Hijack folds, CO calls.

2 players ($708)

Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I push.... Good, bad, or standard?

Also, what if flop was: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Fire away? Check and ...fold?

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Hand #2

Effective stack is $1000.

Button open raises to $35, I reraise to $135 from the SB w/ K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Button calls.

2 players ($277)

Flop: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet $135, Button calls.

2 players ($547)

Turn: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I check, button bets $264, I call.

2 players ($1075)

River: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I push for my remaining $466....

Comments? Turn call ok?

[TheWorstPlayer]

Hand 1, I just make it 400 and push any flop, pretty much. Or flat call and c/f a miss, c/r a hit.

Hand 2, standard. I may push any river, but I certainly push this perfect card...

[UOPokerPlayer]

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Hand 1, I just make it 400 and push any flop, pretty much. Or flat call and c/f a miss, c/r a hit.
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Hand 1 - Unless i know CO's reraising range is wide, i like the flat call plan a lot better.

[TheWorstPlayer]

it's HJ/CO at 5/10 6m. you can expect ranges to be at least somewhat wide here.

and bluff shoving the river in hand 2 is not terrible at all, depending on many things.

[Requin]

I don't really understand. Maybe if you expected a flop shove if villain has a draw? Then you could eliminate draws from villain's range, and so might not shove a real hand on the turn. Of course villain would have to know your thought process and so believe that you wouldn't shove a made hand on turn. If that's your reasoning I tihnk it is way too deep/thin to work.

[UOPokerPlayer]

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it's HJ/CO at 5/10 6m. you can expect ranges to be at least somewhat wide here.


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Ya, you're right its wide, but i dont see where i make my money (aside from taking it down pf.) The spot thats [censored] is if either of those guys shove over me its usually always AA/KK. Also, if they call my 4-bet am i really expecting them to lay down QQ/JJ if i push and the flop is unders?

Calling saves me money if MP pushes and I can still likely break them if i flop it. (I lose QQ/JJ hands, but stack the AQ,AJs).

That all sounds pretty bad actually.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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it's HJ/CO at 5/10 6m. you can expect ranges to be at least somewhat wide here.


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Ya, you're right its wide, but i dont see where i make my money (aside from taking it down pf.) The spot thats [censored] is if either of those guys shove over me its usually always AA/KK. Also, if they call my 4-bet am i really expecting them to lay down QQ/JJ if i push and the flop is unders?

Calling saves me money if MP pushes and I can still likely break them if i flop it. (I lose QQ/JJ hands, but stack the AQ,AJs).

That all sounds pretty bad actually.

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well as you guys might remember from a previous controversial thread, my 4-betting range here is pretty wide. so maybe it's different for me than for others. but I like the 4-bet because you make yourself hard to play against and you dont mind calling a push. for sure their range for pushing is not AA/KK. that's just a joke.

[Triumph36]

Why did you 4-bet PF in hand 1?

[Fianchetto]

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Why did you 4-bet PF in hand 1?

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Why not?

I have a nice hand. Taking it down preflop wouldn't be too bad either.

[Triumph36]

Because you only get called by hands that crush you or are flipping coins with you? You're risking most of your stack to win $150 - if you're committed to shoving any flop.

It depends on how loose HJ and CO are, obviously, but in general I don't like 4 betting here.