Stars $11x180, 99 on Button Facing EP Raise

Jbrochu · #1 12-26-2006, 03:50 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 (t145)
CO (t5532)
Hero (t3495)
SB (t3757)
BB (t3220)
UTG (t1410)
UTG+1 (t2875)
MP1 (t1314)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t300, 1 fold, MP2 calls t145 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero....?

No solid read on UTG+1 but he hasn't done anything obviously out of line. Call with position and see a flop or stick them in there now...? I suppose folding is an option as well.

shaundeeb · #2 12-26-2006, 03:53 AM

I call here due to it being protected pot.

Jbrochu · #3 12-26-2006, 04:00 AM

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I call here due to it being protected pot.

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UTG+1 didn't know it was a protected pot when he raised, so I don't believe his raise is as strong as it would be if the other player was already committted before he stuck his raise in. Or am I misunderstanding how I should be thinking about this?

shaundeeb · #4 12-26-2006, 04:09 AM

protected pot has to do with postflop play.

Jbrochu · #5 12-26-2006, 04:17 AM

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protected pot has to do with postflop play.

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Can you elaborate further?

I think if the shorty was almost all-in in the blinds and this guy comes out betting from early position it shows a lot of strength. However, I'm not sure how shorty coming in after the EP raise affects this hand.

0evg0 · #6 12-26-2006, 04:29 AM

shaun,

i have no idea what you're talking about either.

i mean, of course it's a call, but that's because stacks/positions are weird for 3-betting here.

cha59 · #7 12-26-2006, 06:46 PM

I want to bump this because I dont see a clear play as being the best vs any given opponent. The stack sizes make this a difficult decision for me.

I am not sure that calling is better than, worse than or about the same as pushing or even folding.

It seems like we're a little too deep for a push to be best, but it might be.

It seems like we dont have a strong enough hand or good enough implied odds to call.

It seems like 99 is too good to fold.

I think part of making the best decision here is dependent on what we think about the original raiser regarding his range and what he will do after we make our play.

I dont have a strong opinion on this yet, but Im interested to see if anyone who hasnt replied to this thread yet thinks calling is clearly the best play, or if the other options make more sense.

If calling is clearly the best play, I'd be interested in hearing more reasons why.

adanthar · #8 12-27-2006, 12:38 PM

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It seems like we dont have a strong enough hand or good enough implied odds to call..

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Sure we do. A bunch of times with an all in and a flop the PFR missed, the action will go check, bet, fold, for reasons already stated ITT. Plus you're more or less getting set value odds to start with.

You don't reraise (usually) because you're not really too far ahead of his raising range to start with and hate a 4 bet.

omaha · #9 12-27-2006, 12:53 PM

You might want to discount my previous post. I hadnt looked at the stack sizes.

We dont really have much implied odds for set value, and 99 is not too good against the hands that a tag would raise utg with only 13bb left.

I tend to go to my default in this scenario which keeps me out of trouble. Has the utg been constantly raising/ stealing recently? if so, i shove. If not, i drop my pretty pair of nines.

SHoving also has the advantage of minimising the raising that happens on my blinds, or when i am left to act for an orbit or two.

Any thoughts on these comments?

Spidar · #10 12-27-2006, 05:18 PM

I don't see how shoving is an option as the all-in MP is (assuming blinds fold) playing for over half the pot. (145x3 + bb100 + sb50-5 = t580) That leaves you risking your stack for the side pot (utg 155 + hero 155 + sb5 = 315) if he has you beat. It's a great scenario for him to get heads up and quad through. What do you hope to gain? In this case I don't think 99 is strong enough for a push. If you're called (based on ur read of utg) you're probably beat. Call hoping to hit the flop or see a board if UTG accomodates. Anyone disagree with this line of thought?