Harrington on Holdem III Discussion Group

Alan3 · #1 06-08-2006, 03:13 AM

I've been writing down my answers and thoughts as I go through HOH3. I'm hoping to use them as a springboard for a discussion group on the book. Is anyone interested in forming a discussion group? What forum would be the most appropriate place to start a discussion (I'm still kind of new here)?

mudgey · #2 06-08-2006, 07:52 AM

I'm in......I just got it yesterday......i am psyched!

emmapeel9 · #3 06-16-2006, 04:43 PM

I'm new here too but I have a question about problem 8. The player has the pot-odds to call on the turn but none of the outs are very safe. Where can I discuss this problem? (I lost 6 pts here [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img])

thx

Emmapeel

fruitypro · #4 06-17-2006, 07:03 AM

Hi,

I have just signed up to 2+2 to see if there was any discussion on this subject - I really don't agree with some of the answers!

So I'm glad to see that one is being hopefully setup. I think a discussion on each individual problem would be a great idea, although I'm not sure how this would be done.

If a discussion group is set up, I'd love to be part of it.

kev · #5 06-22-2006, 02:44 PM

I hope that a proper discussion group is set up. I feel this has got to be about the most controversial poker book ever written. When "How Good Is Your Limit Holdem?" came out some people said that you couldn't score that accurately for limit holdem. That was for LIMIT holdem, HOH3 is NL, and yet Harrington give out scores as if they are definitive answers but all the quiz scores are entirely based on Harrington's style of play: "3 points for folding...Raymer obviously feels differently, and he's had a lot of success playing his way, so score 1 point for calling. (Hey, it's my book.)"

You could be a good poker player with a different style of play and score badly. Or you could be a weak tight player and score well.

I don't pretend to be the worlds greatest tournament player or to have ever won the WSOP but some of the plays seem clearly wrong to me. For example Question 8F: "You don't like it, and you're probably beaten, but the 3.5-to-1 pot odds make for a call." - Given the way the hand was played your opponent is virtually guaranteed to have an Ace here. If you call off your money whenever you know you are beaten but are given favourable pot odds your opponents will just keep on giving you odds to call off your money whenever they have you beat.

There's a lot to be discussed about this book. If you learn to play like Harrington you could make a lot of money, but equally if you learn to play like Ivey, Raymer or Green Plastic you could do pretty well.

pipes · #6 06-22-2006, 04:02 PM

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I don't pretend to be the worlds greatest tournament player or to have ever won the WSOP but some of the plays seem clearly wrong to me. For example Question 8F: "You don't like it, and you're probably beaten, but the 3.5-to-1 pot odds make for a call." - Given the way the hand was played your opponent is virtually guaranteed to have an Ace here. If you call off your money whenever you know you are beaten but are given favourable pot odds your opponents will just keep on giving you odds to call off your money whenever they have you beat.

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Kev, I agree with you. I think this one particular SNG problem seemed horrible. He was leaking chips that whole hand due to what he considered great pot odds. In SNGs, I would think that's a terrible way to play.

In general, I was not a big fan of the book.

The most useful aspect of any Discussion Group would probably be to try and sift the good from the bad. For a 2+2 book, that is unfortunate.

ericicecream · #7 06-08-2006, 09:05 AM

this would make a great discussion group

PokerIsLife · #8 06-08-2006, 11:02 AM

I would be interested in joining. I just got my book yesterday though.

Alan3 · #9 06-08-2006, 01:00 PM

The great thing about this book is it is written as 50 independent problems. We could create a thread for each problem and new people can join in the discussion as they get to them.

The only question is, would 50 threads on the different problems in the book be a welcome addition to the 2+2 forums and which forum would be most appropriate for the threads.

deacsoft · #10 06-08-2006, 06:10 PM

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would 50 threads on the different problems in the book be a welcome addition to the 2+2 forums

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That would not be cool. At all.

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and which forum would be most appropriate for the threads.

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I'd recommend that you do it here and post a couple threads containg links to the start up or interest thread in related forums such as Multi-table Tournaments.