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Old 11-05-2007, 10:30 PM
rakes.a.beach rakes.a.beach is offline
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Default two pair river vs idiot

Stack sizes:
UTG: $378
UTG+1: $138.80
Hero: $437.50
Button: $430.34
SB: $453.61
BB: $188.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $10</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($42, 4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($42, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $10</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $45</font>, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($142, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $78</font>, Hero ??


SB is a reg, who I don't think is too good. Button's another bag reg.

Villain is a huge donk, 44/18. He doubled off me qq vs ak a few hands ago.

he instabet the river if that matters.

On the turn, anyone just call?

edit: villain has six dollars behind
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:40 PM
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Default Re: two pair river vs idiot

I wouldn't raise the turn unless I was prepared to call a shove, and your hand improved on the river. Easy call as played.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:44 PM
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Default Re: two pair river vs idiot

turn is awful imo, u´r repping a slowplayed set and thats a tough sell, considering how drawy the flop is.

If Villain is a huge donk, i guess you gotta call, there are worse hands he could vbet like TQ. maybe missed clubs...
still dont like that spot.
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Old 11-06-2007, 03:00 AM
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Default Re: two pair river vs idiot

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turn is awful imo, u´r repping a slowplayed set and thats a tough sell, considering how drawy the flop is.


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Turn is straight value and pretty standard imo. Villains range for donking the turn here is mainly weaker tens/pairs and draws.
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Old 11-06-2007, 03:00 AM
Paul McSwizzle Paul McSwizzle is offline
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Default Re: two pair river vs idiot

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turn is awful imo, u´r repping a slowplayed set and thats a tough sell, considering how drawy the flop is.


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Turn is straight value and pretty standard imo. Villains range for donking the turn here is mainly weaker tens/pairs and draws.

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Does he ever donk with a Q?
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Old 11-06-2007, 03:07 AM
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Default Re: two pair river vs idiot

he prob bets more with a Q
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:45 PM
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Default Re: two pair river vs idiot

I might be too knitty, but I lean towards folding.

I can't see a hand Villain would bet here that we beat (pf doesn't suggest AK, flop/turn line is wrong for QT). If I know Villain can bet complete air/missed flush draw here I might consider a call but I would have to have some read on him for that.

A 44/18 can easily have J9 (maybe even AJ) here IMHO.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:51 PM
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Default Re: two pair river vs idiot

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turn is awful imo, u´r repping a slowplayed set and thats a tough sell, considering how drawy the flop is.

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turn bet was for value/hand protection. I felt like I had the best hand at the time.

I don't see how villain can have QT here.
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:47 AM
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Default Re: two pair river vs idiot

reads, stats?

turn is def a call here, and sometimes a fold I think. The turn raise is more of a bluff than for value or protection. You're raising two players oop w/mpgk...
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Old 11-06-2007, 02:36 AM
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Default Re: two pair river vs idiot

Turn raise is definitely more of a bluff than value...

As played, I call river
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