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Old 11-03-2007, 05:59 PM
QTip QTip is offline
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Default I\'m Always Stuck Here

Let's say you have red Queens and raise EP, one caller who's a good tag and he's in the co. You both have 100x. Everyone else folds.

Flop is 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

WTF are you going to do there?
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Old 11-03-2007, 06:03 PM
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I'm gonna bet into him.
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Old 11-03-2007, 06:04 PM
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Old 11-03-2007, 06:07 PM
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pot sized bet
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Old 11-03-2007, 06:07 PM
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Does he float much? Do you have history together? If all you know is that he's solid, but otherwise unknown, that's a pretty bad spot. I'd hazard to say it's probably one of most people's weaker spots.
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Old 11-03-2007, 06:30 PM
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If the villain is at all crafty, I don't like betting here. It's too easy to take us off our hand. There's nothing wrong with checking a made hand. We really under-represent it. I think if you check/call and check/raise a turn blank you really put the villain in a bad spot. If we fire the flop, we're either committed to being all-in, which sucks against his calling range or we're folding the best hand too much.
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Old 11-03-2007, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: I\'m Always Stuck Here

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I think if you check/call and check/raise a turn blank you really put the villain in a bad spot.

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WTF this is so horrible.

You invest half your stack and turn your hand into a bluff.
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Old 11-03-2007, 06:44 PM
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^so what's your plan?
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:02 PM
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Horrible or not, I've trapped (not bluffed) a number of players with this line. Good tag may be a different player than I am thinking of. If "good tag" isn't smooth calling on the button with a fairly wide range, this won't work out so well for sure. But it his range is wide and will apply a lot of pressure on the button and fire a lot of his draws twice as well as his 99-JJs, then I think you're hand is going to be pretty good against his range and it's not a bad trap. I know that the consensus is to use betting lines and not trapping lines, but trapping lines have their place too, I think.

By any measure, you are a most surely a better, more experienced player than I am and I'm sure you could convince me otherwise. So write a couple of sentences and convince me.
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Old 11-03-2007, 06:09 PM
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I gave him a range of 55+, 3d4d, JdTd, AdKd, AdQd, and suited c's 54 to 9T and we're a 61/39 dog. Check/call? This blows but bet/fold blows too because its so exploitable. We almost never have a set on this board when we raise from EP. This is why I LRR preflop.
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