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Worst hand i\'ve played in a while, 2 pair in a 3bet pot, need help.
I'll just give an auto disclaimer that I know I played this hand like a donk. Now that that is in the open, how would you have better played it?
Villian seems pretty aggro, had a high attn to steal blinds, probably 35+, I don't remember exactly at this time. I was running standard TAG, although I hadn't been at the table very long (stats on villian were datamined). I thought about betting the flop, but figured I didn't really get value from any hands if I did, as it seems like QQ and under would fold, and only AJ and under would give me action, and the odds of him having AJ or worse seemed kinda unlikely. Once I hit the 2 pair on the turn I really felt lost, as i'm now losing to QQ as well as AK, KK and AA. Any help is appreciated here, as this is a rare type of situation that I don't often find myself in. Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BTN: $13.90 SB: $187.90 Hero (BB): $70.70 UTG: $43 MP: $52.15 CO: $50.45 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) 2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.75</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.25</font>, CO calls $4.50 Flop: ($12.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, CO checks Turn: ($12.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10 River: ($32.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $25</font> |
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Re: Worst hand i\'ve played in a while, 2 pair in a 3bet pot, need help
I don't think your play until the turn is that bad, really, as a flop bet folds out anything worse. Once you get to the turn, though, a whole bunch of draws are out there and you definitely need to bet to protect. At least check-raise all in when he pots it.
As played river is tough; it really looks like he's betting for value. You've underrepped your hand so I probably just say "[censored] it, I have two pair in a 3-bet pot" and call. Keep in mind that I'm not sure about that play and it might be a leak, as I can't see what we're beating besides a bluff. |
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Re: Worst hand i\'ve played in a while, 2 pair in a 3bet pot, need help
Definitely bet this flop, Im not sure what flop youre waiting for if youre not betting this one. Assuming you bet the flop, then you can bet the turn. If he raises then you can pretty much comfortably fold as villain wont be doing this with worse very often at all. If he calls, then you can either c/c the river or b/f there depending on what you think. As played I guess the river is a fold but I would have never gotten there this way.
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Re: Worst hand i\'ve played in a while, 2 pair in a 3bet pot, need help
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Once you get to the turn, though, a whole bunch of draws are out there and you definitely need to bet to protect. At least check-raise all in when he pots it. [/ QUOTE ] Ok so every draw hits and you think he should crai? |
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Re: Worst hand i\'ve played in a while, 2 pair in a 3bet pot, need help
Yea Im not so sure about that crai on the turn either to be honest. Youre praying K9 and A9 call, everything else that calls has you in some bad shape.
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Re: Worst hand i\'ve played in a while, 2 pair in a 3bet pot, need help
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Ok so every draw hits and you think he should crai? [/ QUOTE ] There are no draws on this flop that fit villain's 3-bet calling range unless for some reason you're putting hands like KJs or JTs into it. I think letting a card peel on the flop is best to underrep your hand a bit, you're WA/WB against villain's reasonable range. I'm torn between check/calling or check/raising in the event that he bets, but I think they're both better than c-betting the flop. Definitely bet turn. I agree that CRAI is bad, but once you've checked turn it's better than folding or calling. |
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Re: Worst hand i\'ve played in a while, 2 pair in a 3bet pot, need help
DONT check the flop ever. I dont even want to hear the reasoning for it, you 3 bet AQ pf, you hit your ace on a drawy board and you check. There is no justification for it. Youre doing levels of thought here that villain is almost definitely not doing, so just play ABC. You hit, you bet, that simple. You dont hit, you probably still c-bet. If you will c-bet with air here, then you better c-bet with tpgk as well.
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Re: Worst hand i\'ve played in a while, 2 pair in a 3bet pot, need help
And your response to a shove?
Edit: a shove on the flop that is, after cbetting. |
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Re: Worst hand i\'ve played in a while, 2 pair in a 3bet pot, need help
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DONT check the flop ever. I dont even want to hear the reasoning for it, you 3 bet AQ pf, you hit your ace on a drawy board and you check. There is no justification for it. Youre doing levels of thought here that villain is almost definitely not doing, so just play ABC. You hit, you bet, that simple. You dont hit, you probably still c-bet. If you will c-bet with air here, then you better c-bet with tpgk as well. [/ QUOTE ] Even a dumb villain realizes his QQ is no good, and that his AK is. There's no way villain calls with worse or folds better and there are no real draws. There is no reason to bet this flop besides image reasons. This isn't multi-level thinking, this is level 1 thinking. (All this is assuming villain isn't a donk. If he's bad enough to pay you off with AJ or is calling preflop with stuff like KJ, by all means bet). |
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Re: Worst hand i\'ve played in a while, 2 pair in a 3bet pot, need help
Yeah, I'm betting this flop too as wer're OOP and I think his pf calling range is wider than you suggest. I see what I assume to be standard TAGS calling pre w JTs, 87s etc a lot.
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