QQ UTG First Hand (16 Turbo)

[BingoBango]

No HH but I just went all in on th first hand UTG with QQ. I figure I get called enough by idiots with bad hands to make it +EV so early on. Besides, I don't want to make a standard raise and get called by half the table. Even if it's 5-6x the BB, it tends to get a lot of callers early. I also think people will lower their calling requirements because they don't know how I play. Is this a bad play?

This was the first time I tried it, I got called by 22 - exactly what I wanted. He won though.

[vers]

you give up a lot of equity by open shoving.

[eurythmech]

You will usually get 1-2 callers, and 0 callers more often than 4 callers, if you raise to 3 times the bb.

[Kevin8423]

This is bad, just make a standard raise and get paid off by the idiots.

[BingoBango]

If I raise to 60-80 with 1500 stacks, I can get called by anything (especially in a $16). I won't have much of an idea if a flop is good or bad. An A or K on flop is dangerous. I just don't think I can get a lot of money in ahead with this hand. Winning a small pot doesn't really help me at this point.

I would only consider this UTG and I don't think it's a bad of a play, but I guess I'm wrong

[eurythmech]

Dude, you accomplish two things by making a good (60-80) sized raise, rather than a retarded one (1500):

a) You are much more likely to stack hands that will make weak overpairs or top pairs, such as A9/88/QJ etc

b) You won't have to go broke against KK+

It's really really really clear-cut.

[BingoBango]

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Dude, you accomplish two things by making a good (60-80) sized raise, rather than a retarded one (1500):

a) You are much more likely to stack hands that will make weak overpairs or top pairs, such as A9/88/QJ etc

b) You won't have to go broke against KK+

It's really really really clear-cut.

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The chances of me losing to KK or AA are pretty low. The chances of me getting called by JJ/TT/99/AQ/AJ off set that. There's a possibility I get called by a lower pp as I did in this case. The chances of me getting my whole stack in ahead of the types of hands you listed are low and winning a small pot just doesn't help me that much. But I see your point too, I won't argue anymore, don't need to be an ass about it though

[AMT]

lol

[sippin_criss]

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qfmft

[Rek]

Bingo, you post for opinions but then keep trying to justify your play. I see all ins 1st hand and it just amazes me. Any of the following will happen:

1. Everybody folds and a premium hand like QQ wins just the blinds
2. You get called by AA or KK and are dominated. AK may call and you are now a coinflip.
3. You get called by Ax (retarded call) and will still lose a good percentage of time when an A falls on the board.
4. You get called by a smaller pair (retarded call again) and have them dominated but even they will beat you say 20% of the time.

Even if you double up you are by no means certain of getting in the money whilst you are dead if called and beaten.

You should play premium hands strongly but not like a maniac. I think players that play as you have suggested just prefer an all in because they never want their QQ beaten by Ax if they put in a “normal” raise. Don’t be afraid to play it right and also be prepared to lay it down if you think you are beat – a flop with A or K is a danger but good players can get away from losing all their chips with QQ.