hero flops top set and gets check raised...did I extract the max?

[ssnyc]

Stars $12 180 turbo
another let's try to get the most value from a donk line check...I think my flop flat call of check raise was good but not sure if I should have raised turn...on one hand it would help build the pot so a river shove would work but we risk losing him if he's on air...thoughts?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
8 players

UTG: t1450
UTG+1: t2750
MP1: t1400
Hero: t2655
CO: t2210
Button: t1275
SB: t3850
BB: t2010

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds
UTG+1 calls t50
MP1 folds
Hero raises to t200
4 folds
UTG+1 calls t150

Flop: (t475) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks
Hero bets t300
UTG+1 raises to t600
Hero calls t300

Turn: (t1675) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t350
Hero calls t350

River: (t2375) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t500
Hero raises all-in t1505
UTG+1 folds.
Uncalled bets: t1005 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: t3375

[BarryLyndon]

I think you should excluded that UTG+1 fold at the end, because now my mind is all clouted. My spite for your opponent is going to clout my judgement. Lots of clout and spite.

I think you need to push this turn because you optimize your chances of representing a whiffed flush after flat calling the flop. I agree on calling the flop because if you push here, KJ / weaker pairs may leave. If he has the flush draw, well, that sucks, you could have gotten all your money in. I dunno - this is a weak point in my game, but call/push turn seems good to me.

Barry

[Dunkman]

Lol you should minraise the turn. I wish I was joking, but considering stack sizes, and the fact that villain did it on the flop, I think that's actually the best play.

[ZenMusician]

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Lol you should minraise the turn.

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I agree, if not a min raise then some sort of small
pot sweetener...now you can squeeze a bigger river
bet out of him, or he may even push.

-ZEN

[ssnyc]

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Lol you should minraise the turn.

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I agree, if not a min raise then some sort of small
pot sweetener...now you can squeeze a bigger river
bet out of him, or he may even push.

-ZEN

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I thought a miniraise was the smallest pot sweetner possible

[ZenMusician]

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I thought a miniraise was the smallest pot sweetner possible

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Level? LOL

-ZEN

[offmandh]

lol thats what i was thinking. Yea I probably minraise the turn always there. There is like no hand he folds to a minraise. Plus minraise just gets more money in the pot, and the more money there is in the pot the more likely he is to bluff the river or donk it up or w/e

[Gar Pike]

too bad you can't check/minraise the turn. That would show him!...

I think a min-raise on the turn would be trying to provoke an agressive response, some people are kind of mindless that way.

My thinking would be, "If he's lame enough to think c-m/r is a good idea, he'll probably think my m/r is weakness"

Regards

Gar

[ssnyc]

thanks all...most of my moves in the hand were built on the premise he had air rather than even a draw...remember that he called a 4X preflop raise...my guess was a pp and I think if I come to life on the turn I risk him realizing AK is in my range...not sure but figured it was a good hand to discuss extraction lines