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Old 08-12-2006, 08:42 PM
Soviet Exile Soviet Exile is offline
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Am I that wrong to think that in TD, unlike in hold em, it is better to have bad players behind you rather than in front of you? Or at least it's relatively better than in hold em.
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Old 08-12-2006, 08:44 PM
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Am I that wrong to think that in TD, unlike in hold em, it is better to have bad players behind you rather than in front of you? Or at least it's relatively better than in hold em.

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I'm not sure what you mean, in part because in hold'em you always want position on "the money". Can you give a few examples?

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Old 08-12-2006, 08:53 PM
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Sorry, TT, I like to be opaque I guess. In hold 'em, one likes to be to the immediate left of limpers and generally loose players to isolate. Usually these are bad players. It seems to me that in TD having good players behind me means they are going to use their position against me more often, while bad players don't know how to use their position as well. I'd rather be in position against the good ones, I think.
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Old 08-12-2006, 08:58 PM
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Sorry, TT, I like to be opaque I guess. In hold 'em, one likes to be to the immediate left of limpers and generally loose players to isolate. Usually these are bad players. It seems to me that in TD having good players behind me means they are going to use their position against me more often, while bad players don't know how to use their position as well. I'd rather be in position against the good ones, I think.

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With some exceptions, you always want to be last to act at all times. So anyone who is going to give you a hard time at the table you want behind you, not in front of you. TD is a game where position is critical, you will both make extra bets and save bets due to position.

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Old 08-12-2006, 10:16 PM
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With some exceptions, you always want to be last to act at all times. So anyone who is going to give you a hard time at the table you want behind you, not in front of you. TD is a game where position is critical, you will both make extra bets and save bets due to position.

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Is this distinct from relative position in hold em? I think it is, and many of us think about relative position relative to hold em. So we need to get away from that thinking, in much the same way we need to get away from the tendency to slow play, for instance.
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Old 08-12-2006, 08:50 PM
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Depends on what sort of bad players they are.
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Old 08-12-2006, 10:04 PM
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Depends on what sort of bad players they are.

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This is correct, of course, but let's classify the types of bad players and talk about relative position relative to them.
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Old 08-12-2006, 10:18 PM
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Depends on what sort of bad players they are.

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This is correct, of course, but let's classify the types of bad players and talk about relative position relative to
them.

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At a full table I want the biggest LAGs (like the player I described- on my left). 4-handed or less I want position on them.

I hate a button who is always raising my big blind frequently.

I love a player who plays badly in my small blind- but I would prefer him to be on the passive side I think- not sure it matters too much.

I like having tight/passives on my right because it is easy to outplay them and they are usually very predicable.

I'm sure we can name some different types of bad players but I can't think of them right now.
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Old 08-12-2006, 10:21 PM
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I hate a button who is always raising my big blind frequently.

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Get used to it, there is a benefit in allowing them to beat up on you in the blinds. You will begin to see this as you start to play in bigger games where there are no soft players.

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Old 08-12-2006, 11:42 PM
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Get used to it, there is a benefit in allowing them to beat up on you in the blinds. You will begin to see this as you start to play in bigger games where there are no soft players.

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What is the benefit? Is it so valuable that you cannot tell us?
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