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Old 06-05-2007, 03:46 AM
Michael Davis Michael Davis is offline
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Default Another likely lame Ax defending story

Button is a tough, aggressive player who is tricky and makes moves postflop about the right amount of the time. Probably the toughest player I regularly play against.

He openraises the button and I defend the BB with A5o.

The flop is Q86 rainbow.

How bad is just checking and giving up here, or is that just unacceptable?

-Michael
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Old 06-05-2007, 03:55 AM
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Default Re: Another likely lame Ax defending story

This flop sucks, he wins.
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Old 06-05-2007, 03:57 AM
Nate tha\\\' Great Nate tha\\\' Great is offline
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This flop sucks, he wins.

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That's what I meant to say.
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Old 06-05-2007, 04:25 AM
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GEHRIGS RULE OF HEADS UP POST FLOP PLAY:

if a hypothetical villain bets his entire range on every street, and check/calling down blind is even close to a break-even strategy against this, then check/folding the flop against a real villain with the same range is a bad play
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Old 06-05-2007, 04:28 AM
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GEHRIGS RULE OF HEADS UP POST FLOP PLAY:

if a hypothetical villain bets his entire range on every street, and check/calling down blind is even close to a break-even strategy against this, then check/folding the flop against a real villain with the same range is a bad play

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The opponent was described as "good".
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Old 06-05-2007, 04:34 AM
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GEHRIGS RULE OF HEADS UP POST FLOP PLAY:

if a hypothetical villain bets his entire range on every street, and check/calling down blind is even close to a break-even strategy against this, then check/folding the flop against a real villain with the same range is a bad play

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The opponent was described as "good".

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a good villain will chk turn and/or river sometimes, which makes cf'ing the flop with 33% equity even worse

if ur equity on the flop = ur effective odds to call down, then c/c'ing the flop cannot be worse than a break-even play unless u fold or raise too much on later streets
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Old 06-05-2007, 05:05 AM
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GEHRIGS RULE OF HEADS UP POST FLOP PLAY:

if a hypothetical villain bets his entire range on every street, and check/calling down blind is even close to a break-even strategy against this, then check/folding the flop against a real villain with the same range is a bad play

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when i posted this it seemed intuitively true and kind of obvious but thinking about it im not sure its true, so rereading this thread pretend i toned down the authoratative tone in this post
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Old 06-05-2007, 05:17 AM
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can someone run pstove here for the difference in equity for A5 v A2 against buttons range
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Old 06-05-2007, 04:25 AM
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are we playing hu/3handed/6? imo that changes dynamics quite a bit.
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Old 06-05-2007, 03:56 AM
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Button is a tough, aggressive player who is tricky and makes moves postflop about the right amount of the time. Probably the toughest player I regularly play against.

He openraises the button and I defend the BB with A5o.

The flop is Q86 rainbow.

How bad is just checking and giving up here, or is that just unacceptable?

-Michael

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If he plays real well, then I think giving up here the majority of the time on this sort of board texture is fine as part of a well-balanced metagame.
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