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Old 09-05-2007, 10:46 PM
ewile ewile is offline
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Default ATs vs 3 bet preflop

CO is 36/7/1.3 188 hands
MP3 I had only 15 hands against but he was 30/0 in that short time.
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 2 folds, MP3 calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO 3-bets</font>, 4 folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (11.5SB, 3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (10.25BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (13.25BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 calls all-in $1</font>.

Results:
Final pot: 17.25BB

Heads up I probably would have gone into call down mode against the 3 bet. Here I went for the c/r to try to knock out MP3.

On the river it seemed a clear fold to me.

Anyone approach this differently?
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:57 PM
Point Blank Point Blank is offline
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Default Re: ATs vs 3 bet preflop

i can fold TPTK in this spot ...

CO isn't a big raiser so his 3bet generally 'means' something ... then he bet-3bet the flop

the only hand that you beat that I could see this guy bet-raising the flop and 3bet PF is AK [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

i don't think calling down is bad option either; though, on the river I can't see you being good enough to call the raise

i guess you would have won or this wouldn't have been posted [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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guess you can include 99 too
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Old 09-05-2007, 11:34 PM
CrMenace CrMenace is offline
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Default Re: ATs vs 3 bet preflop

Waiting for turn to raise would be a good option here. There are many cards that come that could spoil your hand. Giving 7:1 after the c/r, you aren't protecting much.

As played, turn c/c is fine.

Gotta fold river.
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Old 09-05-2007, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: ATs vs 3 bet preflop

waiting to raise is not good because he won't bet all the times your hand is good. AJ/AQ/AK/99 usually bet flop, they don't always bet the turn.

turn is obvious with likely 4-5 outs and implied odds. be glad he got donked to make it an easy river fold.
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Old 09-05-2007, 11:52 PM
CrMenace CrMenace is offline
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Default Re: ATs vs 3 bet preflop

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waiting to raise is not good because he won't bet all the times your hand is good.

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That's true pretty much always, isn't it? When would you therefore ever wait for the turn? I guess only when you have an overpair and villain might bet top pair?
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Old 09-06-2007, 12:39 AM
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Default Re: ATs vs 3 bet preflop

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waiting to raise is not good because he won't bet all the times your hand is good.

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That's true pretty much always, isn't it? When would you therefore ever wait for the turn? I guess only when you have an overpair and villain might bet top pair?

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It's easier if you're in position. Here, if CO checks behind on the turn, you miss out on a street's worth of bets and give MP3/CO free shots at their draws. At least if you're in position, you can ensure a bet goes in on every street.
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Old 09-06-2007, 12:37 AM
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I play it the same. NH.
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Old 09-07-2007, 10:59 AM
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I play it the same. NH.

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