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Inducing bluffs
How big a part does it play in your games, and how much do you think it contributes to your winrate?
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Re: Inducing bluffs
selfish bump
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Re: Inducing bluffs
It's not a big part of my game at all. I'm pretty happy w/ that.
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Re: Inducing bluffs
[ QUOTE ]
How big a part does it play in your games, and how much do you think it contributes to your winrate? [/ QUOTE ] i would have to say 23 and 41. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] but seriously, you should be more specific. |
#5
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Re: Inducing bluffs
well here is an example...
Hero is UTG with 99 and raises. Folded to CO who cold calls. Flop comes 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] You bet, CO calls. Turn comes an A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] You know if you bet your opponent will fold his gutshot, or his 2 outter but if you check the turn and river, perhaps he throws in a bet when you have a huge edge. |
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Re: Inducing bluffs
oh ok, in this example check/raising is certainly reasonable against certain opponents. the c/c c/r line is probably very rarely correct.
i'd guesstimate that i b/3b this turn 90% of the time and c/r 10% (meaning not randomly, but depending on the opponent). EDIT: maybe occasionally b/c c/r. |
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Re: Inducing bluffs
But my point here is that, in this example, you win exactly 0 more bets by betting the turn because villian folds. My aggression is SO high on the turn and river (2.47/2.41) and it got me to thinking that I don't win enough bets by checking superior hands and often it gets me into spots where I bet get raised and puts me in a rough spot. Usually, they see me bet and fold.
So I wonder how much I can increase my winrate by selectively checking very strong hands to win bets by inducing "value bets" or bluffs. |
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Re: Inducing bluffs
but the thing is: (a) you don't know that he actually has a gutshot (b) you don't know that he will fold it if you bet and not check behind if you check.
as a general rule of thumb, i reserve the turn value c/r line for hands that are not strong enough to b/3b, something like top pair. |
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Re: Inducing bluffs
[ QUOTE ]
well here is an example... Hero is UTG with 99 and raises. Folded to CO who cold calls. Flop comes 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] You bet, CO calls. Turn comes an A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] You know if you bet your opponent will fold his gutshot, or his 2 outter but if you check the turn and river, perhaps he throws in a bet when you have a huge edge. [/ QUOTE ] Your hand is too good to check here. If you bet, he might raise an A, and you get to 3 bet. And no one folds KT, come one now. |
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Re: Inducing bluffs
The first example was not great. The second is better.
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