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08-06-2007, 11:18 PM
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Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
This is probably super easy, but I haven't played limit or live in forever.
Canterbury 4/8. Villian is a dealer. I've never played with him but when he deals he seems crabby. He sat down about an orbit ago. 1 limper, villian limps, I raise K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the button, both call. Flop: 10[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 checks, I bet, fold, call. Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Check, bet, check-raise. My plan? 
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#2
08-06-2007, 11:23 PM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
3 bet or call down but never fold.
I should specify: 3 bet if you think villain is likely to check raise the turn with just a Q. if not, call down.
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#4
08-07-2007, 06:14 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
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[ QUOTE ] 3 bet [/ QUOTE ] incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] I would just call this down on intuition, I guess. However, I'm not sure exactly why. Is it because of the lack of draws, thus making a semi-bluff c/r less likely? Suppose he limped KQ or Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], would he be correct in c/r-ing these hands on the turn? I think so, right? Should he also fold to a 3-bet if he does? If so, I understand a 3-bet is bad. What if he doesn't fold to a 3-bet? Don't we 3-bet then because we can't fold to a cap, since we have outs? So, basically, what it comes down to is that when we are behind we want to get to showdown cheap, and when we are ahead we want him to keep betting and not fold. Is that it?
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#5
08-07-2007, 07:43 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
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[ QUOTE ] 3 bet [/ QUOTE ] incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] why. is this another rule, never 3 bet the turn w/ one pair even against aggros? if he's got a Q, NOT 3 betting is incorrect, esp if he's incapable of folding it. you guys with your hard and fast rules of playing are being ridiculous. play the player and follow your rules, please. as a default, yes this is a calldown. however, you should change your "defaults" based on who you're playing. im actually surprised everyone thinks the villain has QT. In many instances, a hand like QT would check raise you on the flop....he has top pair. IMO he either has a set or a naked Q.
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#6
08-07-2007, 07:57 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
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you guys with your hard and fast rules of playing are being ridiculous. play the player and follow your rules, please. as a default, yes this is a calldown. however, you should change your "defaults" based on who you're playing. [/ QUOTE ] I've won a lot of money by not changing my "rules" based on a read. As it turns out my rules are more often right than my reads.
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#7
08-07-2007, 08:04 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 3 bet [/ QUOTE ] incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] why. is this another rule, never 3 bet the turn w/ one pair even against aggros? if he's got a Q, NOT 3 betting is incorrect, esp if he's incapable of folding it. you guys with your hard and fast rules of playing are being ridiculous. play the player and follow your rules, please. as a default, yes this is a calldown. however, you should change your "defaults" based on who you're playing. im actually surprised everyone thinks the villain has QT. In many instances, a hand like QT would check raise you on the flop....he has top pair. IMO he either has a set or a naked Q. [/ QUOTE ] We are behind his range and have odds to draw. Seems like a pretty easy formula for why 3rd flooring is incorrect.
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#8
08-07-2007, 08:05 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
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you guys with your hard and fast rules of playing are being ridiculous. play the player and follow your rules, please. as a default, yes this is a calldown. however, you should change your "defaults" based on who you're playing. [/ QUOTE ] LOL kiddo. this is our read: I've never played with him but when he deals he seems crabby. Seriously, 3-betting this is spew.
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#9
08-07-2007, 08:09 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
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[ QUOTE ] you guys with your hard and fast rules of playing are being ridiculous. play the player and follow your rules, please. as a default, yes this is a calldown. however, you should change your "defaults" based on who you're playing. [/ QUOTE ] LOL kiddo. this is our read: I've never played with him but when he deals he seems crabby. Seriously, 3-betting this is spew. [/ QUOTE ] against this villain, fine. against most villains? fine. against all opponents? dont buy it.
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#10
08-07-2007, 01:08 PM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 3 bet [/ QUOTE ] incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] why. is this another rule, never 3 bet the turn w/ one pair even against aggros? if he's got a Q, NOT 3 betting is incorrect, esp if he's incapable of folding it. you guys with your hard and fast rules of playing are being ridiculous. play the player and follow your rules, please. as a default, yes this is a calldown. however, you should change your "defaults" based on who you're playing. im actually surprised everyone thinks the villain has QT. In many instances, a hand like QT would check raise you on the flop....he has top pair. IMO he either has a set or a naked Q. [/ QUOTE ] what is ridiculous is doing anything other than calling down in this spot. we have no idea how this guy plays. when we have an overpair vs. an unknown, we follow the hard and fast rule of getting to showdown. doing anything other than that makes zero sense.
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